Digimon thread

[Bloody Marquis]

Hmm. Back when I saw it for the first time, I actually didn't like Tamers due to the whole down tone in the later episodes. But after looking back and rewatching some episodes, I'll also agree with everyone that it was the best of the seasons.

However, I haven't seen Data Squad/Savers.

 

[Ajax]

I thought Jeri was absolutely adorable, and then she goes and has all the life sucked out of her toward the end of the series.

Granted I havent seen Tamers in a couple of years so i do not recall its awesomeness but I would agree with you there. The moment Leomon died and Jeri became a former shell of herself, the the rest of the series was painful to watch, but painful in the most enjoyable of ways if that makes any sense.

 

[Rolling Cloud]

Kurata was an intense villain, but I was more annoyed at how his whole hatred against the Digimon was just a result of him being afraid. Considering he went on to kill hundreds of Digimon, that felt kind of like a weak reason to go with for that arc.

It's only human nature. He was scared of them so, he felt that the only good thing to do would be to eliminate them. Basically, his fear drove him insane though, he felt that he was doing the correct thing.

 

[HellCat]

On villains- I always saw it that 01 was just full of opportunistic warlords. It seemed every time the kids finally won- SUPRISE! There's someone even worse waiting. It seemed silly to me after the big deal they made over Myotismon though at least 'They took the initative whilst he was away' made sense.

 

[FGfan]

It's only human nature. He was scared of them so, he felt that the only good thing to do would be to eliminate them. Basically, his fear drove him insane though, he felt that he was doing the correct thing.

It was fairly similar for Yamaki in Tamers, except he eventually saw the error of his ways.

That, and he was never half as bloodthirsty.

I think I liked Tamers better because it didn't have the whole repetitive "manipulation" syndrome that plagued 02 - suffice to say, quoting a friend:

"Poor Ken just has no free will in this series."

Meanwhile, Frontier's Royal Knights arc was probably THE most repetitive arc I've seen - reminds me of BWG's arc, for instance....

 

[garfield15]

On villains- I always saw it that 01 was just full of opportunistic warlords. It seemed every time the kids finally won- SUPRISE! There's someone even worse waiting. It seemed silly to me after the big deal they made over Myotismon though at least 'They took the initative whilst he was away' made sense.

Have you not read a shounen manga before or something?

 

[Razor]

The thing about Kurata being afraid - most of the worst atrocities in human history were perpetrated out of fear.

 

[HellCat]

Have you not read a shounen manga before or something?

It's a fine angle if you do it right but otherwise just becomes a mess. I have no problem with a few early villains to get in the swing of things, followed by a more powerful villain and finally an end boss. But when you just keep throwing more and more powerful enemies at the heroes it becomes boring. It's part of the reason I dropped stuff like Bionicle.

 

[Gatomon41]

Probably one of the better developments in Digimon was the Worldbuilding.

Adventure had an overall idea of what the Digital World was and how it related to the Real World. However, it was rather lacking in how that world functioned.

Sure, from what we can tell, the Digital World was plauged by Warlords and seemed to have no other government outside of small villages. It just left to the wind in how everything functioned. Or how food was produced. Speaking of which, we saw no large land animals in the Digital world. How the heck world the ecology work out!?

Ok, so I'm nitpicking. But it would be nice if the writers did thought the world out a little better.

Tamers and Frontier got better at this at least. It seems that theproducers took some time and figured out how these worlds would work.

 

[Light Lucario]

It's only human nature. He was scared of them so, he felt that the only good thing to do would be to eliminate them. Basically, his fear drove him insane though, he felt that he was doing the correct thing.

I think that you have a good point there about human nature. While I understand that Kurata's fear drove him insane, it made me dislike him to the point where he was annoying to me, as apposed to being seen as a cool villain.

As for Etemon, I never really took him serious as a villain. Other than getting all of the tags and crests, the only thing I remember liking about his arc was how it eventually led to Taichi and Agumon returning to the human world in a really awesome episode.

I also thought that Takato was a refreshing change of pace. I kind of liked how he went from kind of a daydreaming kid to the leader of the group of kids with their own Digimon partners. Plus, as I mentioned before, I loved how he bonded with Guilmon.

 

[FGfan]

Now Kurata's having been made a villain by his own nature was a unique twist, and I think if that had been used in Zero Two, I would have enjoyed that series much better (though I currently, and will continue to, maintain the viewpoint that the series should have ended with Ken).

Ken was, to quote my friend, "immature and traumatized over his brother's loss" - the perfect fuel for becoming the Kaiser. It was also very nice that Kurata was not "controlled," a syndrome which plagued the past seasons - he was an adult, he was old enough to know if he's doing something wrong, and was acting on his own nature.

And really, looking at Kurata - he's a sadistic, bloodthirsty man who at heart believes what he's doing to be right - it's the same sort of feel that made Yamaki a good villain, only this time around, he didn't come to see his actions as wrongdoings. That, and he was far more of a vicious being.

 

[Ajax]

It's a fine angle if you do it right but otherwise just becomes a mess. I have no problem with a few early villains to get in the swing of things, followed by a more powerful villain and finally an end boss. But when you just keep throwing more and more powerful enemies at the heroes it becomes boring. It's part of the reason I dropped stuff like Bionicle.

But that was the nature of the show wasnt it? You had your champion, ultimate, mega, so it was only natural for the digidestined to fight more powerful villians as the show progressed. It wasnt done great but it def was done right imo...

 

[Scirel]

It's a fine angle if you do it right but otherwise just becomes a mess. I have no problem with a few early villains to get in the swing of things, followed by a more powerful villain and finally an end boss. But when you just keep throwing more and more powerful enemies at the heroes it becomes boring. It's part of the reason I dropped stuff like Bionicle.

Bionicle, IIRC, varied it's villain power in that things always made sense in retrospect. EX. the Toa Nuva had very little experience fighting sentient enemies(and were basically powerless when faced with the Kal), and were completely overwhelmed by the Piraka because of it. The toa Ignika fared better because of better Intel, and their enemy's complete lack of unity, unlike when the piraka faced the original toa the first time.

The Barraki were significantly less powerful individually than the Piraka, but were a bigger threat because of their Intelligence and leadership skills.

And of course, the makuta, who we had known about for years, were the most powerful enemy set.

 

[Undrave]

Etemon ALREADY conquered part of server. Anywhere his Dark Network was he was in charge, that was his angle, a tyrant who had taken over the land of other Digimons. He probably knew about the Digidestined because there was that whole prophecy buisness (everybody knew Digidestined were coming to fight the darkness) and probably got warned when the sky over File Island lit up in a column of PURIFYING LIGHT OF DOOM that destroyed Devimon.

I also recal Etemon summoning a Tyranomon through his Network.

You know, to this day I still wonder why they made Renamon the "child" level.

They made her the Child level so she could be around more to whet the fantasies of her furry fans

 

[GingaDaiuchuu]

They made her the Child level so she could be around more to whet the fantasies of her furry fans

The internet has never been the same.

I think 02 gets more hate than it deserves. I know I'm in the minority but, with exceptions, I really liked the series.

 

[FGfan]

I think 02 gets more hate than it deserves. I know I'm in the minority but, with exceptions, I really liked the series.

02 over-despised? If anything, 02 is overrated, the Kaiser arc was very well written, but the series seriously tanked after episode 38, I enjoyed the Kaiser's arc (even with the plothole of why Ken, a nice guy, never feels any regret for the sort of "games" he "plays") it still gets a lot more praise online than it deserves.

 

[GingaDaiuchuu]

02 over-despised? If anything, 02 is overrated, the Kaiser arc was very well written, but the series seriously tanked after episode 38, I enjoyed the Kaiser's arc (even with the plothole of why Ken, a nice guy, never feels any regret for the sort of "games" he "plays") it still gets a lot more praise online than it deserves.

Really? Most of what I've seen has been nothing but hate. The most praise I've seen is "Kaiser arc was good".

 

[FGfan]

Really? Most of what I've seen has been nothing but hate. The most praise I've seen is "Kaiser arc was good".

Eh, there were a lot of sites which praised 02 back in the day, I remember this one guy on what was by the last time I checked a ghost town (and is probably gone now) claiming 02 was the highest rated series in both Japan and North America, and searching around here will find you some guys who like 02 pretty well....

 

[Gatomon41]

Etemon ALREADY conquered part of server. Anywhere his Dark Network was he was in charge, that was his angle, a tyrant who had taken over the land of other Digimons. He probably knew about the Digidestined because there was that whole prophecy buisness (everybody knew Digidestined were coming to fight the darkness) and probably got warned when the sky over File Island lit up in a column of PURIFYING LIGHT OF DOOM that destroyed Devimon.

I also recal Etemon summoning a Tyranomon through his Network.

I remember one reviewer poiting out Etemon was the embodiment of the misuse of technology, specifically to control everything aginst others free will.

They made her the Child level so she could be around more to whet the fantasies of her furry fans

Everyone's Furry for Renamon

And it dosn't help that she was voiced by Mari Devon, who gave the sexiest voice in Tamers.

 

[GingaDaiuchuu]

Eh, there were a lot of sites which praised 02 back in the day, I remember this one guy on what was by the last time I checked a ghost town (and is probably gone now) claiming 02 was the highest rated series in both Japan and North America, and searching around here will find you some fairly devoted 02 fans....

Interesting. Well based on this forum for the most part, most recently and especially this thread so far, it looks to me like 02 is currently very hated, especially in comparison to most of the other seasons.