"Silver and Black" Pre-Release Discussion (Spoilers)

[the greenman]

Pretty ambitious month to choose what with Captain Marvel coming out the next month.

I think they wanna make the film and just get it out there. Gone are the aspirations for billion dollar windfall. Just like at their decisions on The Dark Tower.

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[Yojimbo]

Maybe they think it'll be a month for female-led Superhero movies and all the good will will benefit it ?

I think they wanna make the film and just get it out there. Gone are the aspirations for billion dollar windfall. Just like at their decisions on The Dark Tower.

Perhaps. To me it seems like a pattern of everyone getting frightened with competing with the summer CBMs then the CBMs show up in the spring then Star Wars in winter. Horror movies not in October. They put them anywhere they can squeeze them now.

Dark Tower didn't do well, too? Man.

 

[Neo Ultra Mike]

It is kind of sad though thinking about it that even Sony is going to get a super hero movie starring a female character before the main Marvel Cinematic Universe is. Seriously DC has one, FOX will have one with X-Men Dark Phoenix, Sony has this and heck even Pixar will have The Incredibles 2 which is suppose to star Elastigirl. Though I guess them having all these ideas and talks for this film does make sense to do now if the movie is coming out so early 2019. So far the only competition they have on that date is Lego Movie 2 which we'll see if they'll keep that date as there hasn't been any talk about that movie for months. Though if Silver and Black is R rated they could have a good battle between the edgy super hero movie and the goofy kids movie which seems to be the usual for the first/second week of February with movies lately.

 

[the greenman]

It is kind of sad though thinking about it that even Sony is going to get a super hero movie starring a female character before the main Marvel Cinematic Universe is. Seriously DC has one, FOX will have one with X-Men Dark Phoenix, Sony has this and heck even Pixar will have The Incredibles 2 which is suppose to star Elastigirl. Though I guess them having all these ideas and talks for this film does make sense to do now if the movie is coming out so early 2019. So far the only competition they have on that date is Lego Movie 2 which we'll see if they'll keep that date as there hasn't been any talk about that movie for months. Though if Silver and Black is R rated they could have a good battle between the edgy super hero movie and the goofy kids movie which seems to be the usual for the first/second week of February with movies lately.

Honestly, DC/WB is the undisputed leader in female-led superheroine films. Supergirl (1984), Catwoman (2004), and now Wonder Woman, (if you wanna get really technical even V for Vendetta(2006)). As Joss Whedon proclaimed, there has always been sexism in the industry. Also, as you can see, most of Marvel's most popular female characters are owned by other studios Storm (FOX), She-Hulk (presumably Universal), Spider-Woman (possibly SONY or Disney). The only one their sitting on is Black Widow.

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[AdrenalineRush1996]

Honestly, DC/WB is the undisputed leader in female-led superheroine films. Supergirl (1984), Catwoman (2004), and now Wonder Woman, (if you wanna get really technical even V for Vendetta(2006)). As Joss Whedon proclaimed, there has always been sexism in the industry. Also, as you can see, most of Marvel's most popular female characters are owned by other studios Storm (FOX), She-Hulk (presumably Universal), Spider-Woman (possibly SONY or Disney). The only one their sitting on is Black Widow.

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Actually, Marvel has the Hulk film rights. Universal has the distribution rights.

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[the greenman]

Actually, Marvel has the Hulk film rights. Universal has the distribution rights.

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Either way, it's not being put into production.

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[AdrenalineRush1996]

Either way, it's not being put into production.

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Well, Marvel did say it's still possible to do a sequel to The Incredible Hulk but distribution issues with Universal and the weak box office performance (it remains the lowest-grossing MCU film) prevented the sequel from happening.

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[Yojimbo]

Anyway, let's get back on topic. Further discussion goes to private message or the MCU news thread.

 

[Neo Ultra Mike]

originally posted by the greenman
Honestly, DC/WB is the undisputed leader in female-led superheroine films. Supergirl (1984), Catwoman (2004), and now Wonder Woman, (if you wanna get really technical even V for Vendetta(2006)).

V for Vendetta still advertised and showcased Hugo Weaving (don't know why I said Hugh Jackman my bad on that) as the main protagonist in marketting and even within the narrative so that doesn't count. Also like Elektra, Supergirl and Catwoman were just spinoff characters (well Catwoman was originally concieved as a spinoff to the 1992 Batman Returns movie but then evolved into the travesty we got 12 years later) whose films were seen as overall travesties. Since yeah sad as it was to say the reason we didn't have female super hero movies for awhile was because of the idea seeming so cursed and non profitable the few times it was tried even though it wasn't the fault of the characters or of the idea, just the teams behind these movies that was finally corrected with Wonder Woman. And I know the other reason it took the MCU so long to have a female lead (Ike Perlmutter and then scheduling) just noting how because of that they'll be the last in the game even over other technical Marvel movies.

More on topic with a release date in mind we should actually be hearing whose going to be cast in these roles pretty soon. Part of me wonders if we'll see a black actress winding up with the part of Felica Hardy/Black Cat. Probably not as that's a bit too "on the nose" naming but considering the director and probably wanting to reall differentate the looks of the two leads, I could see them doing that.

 

[AdrenalineRush1996]

V for Vendetta still advertised and showcased Hugh Jackman as the main protagonist in marketting and even within the narrative so that doesn't count.

Hugo Weaving, not Hugh Jackman.

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[the greenman]

V for Vendetta still advertised and showcased Hugo Weaving (don't know why I said Hugh Jackman my bad on that) as the main protagonist in marketting and even within the narrative so that doesn't count.

Uhhh, maybe in Europe they marketed Weaving, but in US it was always Portman.

Anyway, with the glut of cbm's it's only a matter of time we see major potential blockbusters released in January.

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[Frontier]

Norman Osborn will reportedly have a role, albeit off-screen, in Silver and Black.

 

[the greenman]

Norman Osborn will reportedly have a role, albeit off-screen, in Silver and Black.

So, it still leaves the question open to if the supposedly MCU only Spidey is going to crossover. Either him or the villains from these films. I assume these films should be going in tthe direction of the criminal underworld as opposed to MCU Spidey with the science fiction supervillains.

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[Checkerboard]

Tombstone in Black/Silver sounds cool. I remember him from the 90s series. I remember wanting to see more of him.

Chameleon on the other hand, in both, I don't know. I could see him pretending to be Spider-Man in Venom to lure Venom out, that would be a clever way how to solve Spidey's formal absence, or he could be what drives Venom by pretending to be Venom himself. Him doing something Venom or his host would not. In both cases mind games. In Black/Silver though no clue.

 

[the greenman]

Tombstone in Black/Silver sounds cool. I remember him from the 90s series. I remember wanting to see more of him.

Chameleon on the other hand, in both, I don't know. I could see him pretending to be Spider-Man in Venom to lure Venom out, that would be a clever way how to solve Spidey's formal absence, or he could be what drives Venom by pretending to be Venom himself. Him doing something Venom or his host would not. In both cases mind games. In Black/Silver though no clue.

Honestly, at this point I'm still not a fan of this Venom-verse. These are characters I still want to see tussle with Spidey at a future date. Taking these rabbit trails is annoying to me.

The one glaring issue with Tombstone I have is the proper representation of the character. Right now DC TV has a coup with casting an albino actor as Tobias Whale. Anything else with Lincoln could come off as whitewashing or even offensive. Then, Sony practically went there with Jamie Foxx's Electro.

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[Yojimbo]

Sigh. Why not throw in Norman at this point? <face palm>

 

[Frontier]

I know Feige was planning to steer clear of the Osborns or the villains past movies had already used, but I can't imagine how he'd feel at not having access to Spider-Man's Archenemy because Sony wants to sell their own spinoffs .

 

[AdrenalineRush1996]

Honestly, at this point I'm still not a fan of this Venom-verse. These are characters I still want to see tussle with Spidey at a future date. Taking these rabbit trails is annoying to me.

The one glaring issue with Tombstone I have is the proper representation of the character. Right now DC TV has a coup with casting an albino actor as Tobias Whale. Anything else with Lincoln could come off as whitewashing or even offensive. Then, Sony practically went there with Jamie Foxx's Electro.

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This is why I've had enough of Sony on handling the film rights.

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[Yojimbo]

Wild Pack specifically now rumored to appear.

 

[Frontier]

Be kinda weird to do a Silver Sable movie and not use them at all...