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I'm shocked I'm the first person to mention Artemis' "naked" comment. It was pretty cool.

Now, onto The Joker. His design is a bit weird but I can get used to it if he makes anymore appearances. His mannerisms felt kinda forced though. Like he was trying too hard to be Joker. But that's a matter of writing not voice acting.
 
Eh, didn't much care for this joker... though one thing that doesn't help him is the fact that any joker will inevitably be compared to Mark Hammil. As good as voices may get, its always the laugh that keeps hammil above the rest. Though I think they could have also done better with the dialogue for this joker; it just seems like he didn't really stand out all that much.

Overall a very good episode. I supposed my only minor complaint might be that the young heroes were doing just a tad bit too well towards the end. Afterall the villians they were dealing with were not team of second stringers, but a team of big time villians who normally take on big time heroes... in an even fight, I'd expect the villians to win. Would have prefered if Doctor fate had a bigger role in evening out the fight than just getting in a surprise reversal and then just taking on one of the villains. Have the younger heroes loose with only the leauge being the one who saves them rather than them managing to hold their own.

Also we finally get a reveal of the light's true line up.

Fate took on the teams biggest issue though. He was able to hold off the entire team with little to no effort. Even Fate had issues fighting him. The others were only able to gain the upper hand when they teamed up on the villains. For example, Vertigo was only hit when another team member distracted him. I think it was a pretty good battle overall. The team managed to stay alive until the League came to back them up, but they didn't make it too easy. It was especially nice to see Artemis without her arrows.

This was easily my favorite episode so far. I didn't expect them to top Homefront so soon. Nice to see a other DCU characters acting during a crisis and not just the league. Seeing Blue Devil, Guy Gardner, Plastic Man, Icon, and Rocket in action was nice. Hopefully they'll get to appear a bit more substantially later on. Especially Blue Devil as I love Blue Devil, and Blue Devil means the chance to see Kid Devil. It was also nice seeing Fate again. I expected plan B to be Belle Reeve collars for the villains, giving the team an easy way to take out quite a few of them. It was a pretty nice twist. I'm also glad they revealed the Light formally. At this point I don't think there was any question who the members were at this point All in all 5/5. If this is what they do for a mid-season episode, I can't wait to see what they have in store for the finale.
 
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Awesome Episode :anime:
Great to see Joker,Poison Ivy,Wotan,Count Vertigo,Black Adam,Atomic Skull,and Ultra Humantie in the show we even got Plasticman,Blue Devil,Guy Gardner,Icon and Rocket as cameos plus we get to see The Light
the action scenes were great
 
Loved seeing an underrated Superman rogue, Atomic Skull, get a supporting role in this episode. Hope he shows up again at some point.

I like Ultra-Humanite, but why was he even there? He didn't even invent anything cool. He just played on his iphone while Poison Ivy's plant was freaking out, then used a blaster gun like any henchman could have done. I guess they needed a smart guy on the team so the JL would assume he invented the Kobra Venom.

But if that's the case, why isn't the Justice League wondering who sent Black Manta to steal Starro? The IL doesn't have an underwater guy.
 
Best episode of the night. Got to see a whole bunch of classic villains, the Jusitce League roster, a lot of which I don't even know (but seriously, 3 GLs on the same planet?) We even got to see the Light. Led by Vandall Savage, that's a surprise.

I'm surprised Batman sent Young Justice out to take on such powerful villains. Even with Dr. Fate, they were still in trouble. I'm kind of glad they didn't win, that would make them too powerful.
Count me in as people who don't like this Joker. The design's pretty bland, he's not really that scary, and he's not really funny either. Heck, I found the Joker from "The Batman" more entertaining.
 
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According to Wiki that was Brent Spiner as Joker. I can see that as that would be another Gargoyles (and Star trek) cast member with a role. I was not that impressed with joker's voice though.

The guy who played Puck in Gargoyles was this Joker? That sort of makes sense given the whole trickster theme these two characters share:p.

I'm shocked I'm the first person to mention Artemis' "naked" comment. It was pretty cool.

Actually, I mentioned it in my 1st post in the thread:sweat::D.

In regards to my thoughts on Joker's design, I think it's pretty cool. I like it better then Joker's 2nd DCAU design (the one from Superman: The Animated Series and The New Batman Adventures) and I like a whole lot better then his The Batman design by miles.

So Blue Devil was the guy with Flash and Captain Atom, eh? I never heard of him before:sweat:.
 
I'm surprised at the tepid reaction to Joker. I thought he was awesome here. Yes, they're definitely playing up the "creepy and thin" factor more, but I thought that worked wonderfully. And Spiner was just *unreal*.

Also, let's remember that he's only one factor in a very packed episode, so they can't really go "deep" with him. They have to pick a personality aspect and stick with it, so that's what they did.
 
WHAAAAAAT!!!??

3 Green Lanterns in one planet??!!!

There was a long stretch in the comics from the 1980's to the mid 90's when there were three earth Lanterns. As of right now, there are four.

Hal was the first, and Guy was his back-up. When Guy got sent into a coma, John was chosen as his replacement.
 
This was by far my least favorite episode so far and because I know everyone is going to disagree with me I am going to give every reason I didn't like it

First of all I was super excited for Joker but Jesus they could not have handled him worse. First his voice sounded like Adam West :confused: and it suited him terribly, not to say the actor was bad but the writing was. Since when doe the joker have multiple personalities, and seriously that whole exchange was horrendously bad writing. Then he starts yelling that they lost, Joker doesn't do that! when he looses he laughs and tries to kill people not scream, never scream. I will say the use of Joker toxin at the end would have been awesome if, again, he started laughing and did it instead of a yelling fit.

Second the rest of the group. I will say Vertigo was fine and I would count Black Adam not speaking against him but I have no idea if thats his character or not so I wont mention it. But Ultra Huminite talks, a lot, I am not sure why he never said a word and just made Gorilla sounds but again he is an egotist and talks a lot so he should at least speak a little. Then theres atomic skull who might as well have been replaced by a battery. The wizard guy was weird not sure why they didn't use someone with a little more recognition like faust but whatever. Poisan Ivy had a terrible voice actress, good voice bad delivery.

Third as always the actual YJ team was fine but why is that dog coming on missions, seems like a weird addition to a team. But the hello meagan thing got old around two episodes after it started so can they not have it in every episode. Also when are artimus and Wally ganna hook-up we all know its coming, whenever a boy and girl are snippy and obnoxious to each other the cliche gods need them to become a couple. I actually loved aqualad's plan I have to say, the entire time I thought wow he is sacrificing himself to beat these guys, I thought we were going to go on this awesome journey where they try and find a better host for naboo to free aqualad and I was super happy, then they ruined it by just letting him take it off, they mite as well use it every time if the helmets such a pushover.

I guess thats it, these are my opinions and if they do not match yours I am sorry but please do not try and convince me I am wrong.
 
I loved this one. I've mentioned before that I love The Joker's design in this series and I still do, his voice was serviceable as well. I don't think his VA was perfect, but he was still pretty good. I loved all the cameos, although I only knew who a couple of them were (Namely Guy Gardner and Plastic Man from Batman: The Brave and the Bold). Artemis's "naked" line was great and the recurring jokes haven't gotten old for me yet ("I hate monkeys", Artemis drowning). Aqualad using Dr. Fate's mask genuinely surprised me and of course The Joker would rather take everyone out than lose.

Oh, and The Light reveal! Did anyone guess Klarion on was a member?

Also, I've gotta put this out here, but I can't be the only one that thinks the Justice League (Batman in particular) knows/suspects more about The Light than they're letting on. I mean they work in the background of this show, so we really can't be sure that they've actually been falling for everyone of The Light's ruses, especially this one.
 
This was by far my least favorite episode so far and because I know everyone is going to disagree with me I am going to give every reason I didn't like it

Your right, I don't agree.

First of all I was super excited for Joker but Jesus they could not have handled him worse. First his voice sounded like Adam West :confused: and it suited him terribly, not to say the actor was bad but the writing was. Since when doe the joker have multiple personalities, and seriously that whole exchange was horrendously bad writing. Then he starts yelling that they lost, Joker doesn't do that! when he looses he laughs and tries to kill people not scream, never scream. I will say the use of Joker toxin at the end would have been awesome if, again, he started laughing and did it instead of a yelling fit.

Adam West?:confused: Where did you get THAT from? Brent Spiner sounded NOTHING like Adam West's usual cheesy delivery. I'd say the Joker had multiple facets to his personality. About him yelling that they lost, I clearly remember him screaming for Batman's help in TAS episode "The Joker's Favor". Also I didn't get the vibe he was screaming because they lost. To me it was his usual insane reaction.

Second the rest of the group. I will say Vertigo was fine and I would count Black Adam not speaking against him but I have no idea if thats his character or not so I wont mention it. But Ultra Huminite talks, a lot, I am not sure why he never said a word and just made Gorilla sounds but again he is an egotist and talks a lot so he should at least speak a little. Then theres atomic skull who might as well have been replaced by a battery. The wizard guy was weird not sure why they didn't use someone with a little more recognition like faust but whatever. Poisan Ivy had a terrible voice actress, good voice bad delivery.

What could they have possibly said that would've added to the episode. As far as recognition goes, because you don't know them you consider it a bad thing?

Third as always the actual YJ team was fine but why is that dog coming on missions, seems like a weird addition to a team. But the hello meagan thing got old around two episodes after it started so can they not have it in every episode.

It was only said one time, is it really that big a deal?

Also when are artimus and Wally ganna hook-up we all know its coming, whenever a boy and girl are snippy and obnoxious to each other the cliche gods need them to become a couple.

It's called buildup, also would you prefer them to just say nothing witty or have nothing interesting in terms of characterization or character arcs? (not that they don't, but you get the point) Besides they're both my favorite characters on the show, and I enjoy their bickering.

I actually loved aqualad's plan I have to say, the entire time I thought wow he is sacrificing himself to beat these guys, I thought we were going to go on this awesome journey where they try and find a better host for naboo to free aqualad and I was super happy, then they ruined it by just letting him take it off, they mite as well use it every time if the helmets such a pushover.

Kaldur said that Fate almost didn't let him go. Was his word not good enough for you?

I guess thats it, these are my opinions and if they do not match yours I am sorry but please do not try and convince me I am wrong.

Alright, but don't think that people aren't going to respond to your opinions, just because some people might think your turning nitpicks in to bigger problems for you than they should be.
 
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The wizard guy was weird not sure why they didn't use someone with a little more recognition like faust but whatever.
Wotan is Dr. Fate's nemesis in the comics and the first villain he fought. Hence, Wotan's line about being prepared. Wotan first appeared on The Brave and The Bold recently. He's one the most powerful magic-based villains. Sure they could have used Circe but I'm sure there's a reason why the staff chose Wotan.
 
Your right, I don't agree.

Alright first off I expected people to not agree with me, just because I have an opinion does not mean everyone else is not entiteled to disagree, although their certanly are kinder ways of doing it

Adam West?:confused: Where did you get THAT from? Brent Spiner sounded NOTHING like Adam West's usual cheesy delivery. I'd say the Joker had multiple facets to his personality. About him yelling that they lost, I clearly remember him screaming for Batman's help in TAS episode "The Joker's Favor". Also I didn't get the vibe he was screaming because they lost. To me it was his usual insane reaction.

Maybe its just my own ears but I definitely heard an Adam Westy voice in his performance and even if no one else did the voice still did not match the Joker at all. And of coarse he screamed for Batman's help, that is a completely different circumstance, my evidence is the last laugh where after Batman has completely destroyed Joker's plans what does he do, he tells a joke. Or at the end of the the world's finest special and mask of the phantasm where in the face of death Joker cannot stop laughing.


What could they have possibly said that would've added to the episode. As far as recognition goes, because you don't know them you consider it a bad thing?

Actually that was more curiosity then anger, its not necessarily a bad choice just a weird one

It was only said one time, is it really that big a deal?

I meant in the show's entire running time, I find it annoying


It's called buildup, also would you prefer them to just say nothing witty or have nothing interesting in terms of characterization or character arcs? (not that they don't, but you get the point) Besides they're both my favorite characters on the show, and I enjoy their bickering.

I like the characters to, not the bickering. How many times have we seen the boy and girl who do nothing but bicker ending up together, I just think if they wanted them to end up together they could have gone in an original direction instead of a cliched one



Kaldur said that Fate almost didn't let him go. Was his word not good enough for you?

Dude, I believed him but last time he didn't want to let flash go, the helmet is letting anyone where it and leave when the show has said that he latches on to a host, which he has not done once



Alright, but don't think that people aren't going to respond to your opinions, just because some people might think your turning nitpicks in to bigger problems for you than they should be.

Like I said I have no problem with people disagreeing with everything I said but just because I have a different opinion I am not wrong and neither are you but I think those with different opinions could at least respect my opinion instead of jumping on me for them



Wotan is Dr. Fate's nemesis in the comics and the first villain he fought. Hence, Wotan's line about being prepared. Wotan first appeared on The Brave and The Bold recently. He's one the most powerful magic-based villains. Sure they could have used Circe but I'm sure there's a reason why the staff chose Wotan.

Oh yeah that does make sense, considering fate was making his second appearance, I still think another choice would have probably have been wiser just for recognition but yeah now it makes a lot more sense
 
Adam West?:confused: Where did you get THAT from? Brent Spiner sounded NOTHING like Adam West's usual cheesy delivery. I'd say the Joker had multiple facets to his personality. About him yelling that they lost, I clearly remember him screaming for Batman's help in TAS episode "The Joker's Favor". Also I didn't get the vibe he was screaming because they lost. To me it was his usual insane reaction.

I think Brent Spiner did a good enough job personally. Not the greatest Joker, but far from the worst. He certainly sounded nothing like Adam West, who is honestly a very good serious actor. The Gray Ghost is proof enough of that.

Joker has been a sore loser on multiple occasions. Sticking with just animation there's Mad Love where he was quite angry when Batman told him that Harley came closer to beating him then he ever had, Return of the Joker where he was once again angry when Terry gained the upper hand in their battle, and various other Batman TAS episodes where he tends to look irritated that he lost, losing that trademark smile of his. He's laughed during his losses as well. It's just something that varies from plan to plan with Mr. J. That's very much his style.

Here Joker whined a bit that they didn't lose and set forward a trap that would have killed everyone, even himself. It was pretty fitting.

Also it has been suggested in the comics that The Joker has multiple personalities, so him mentioning such here is not really that much of a shock.

I'm not really trying to change Avenger's opinion, I just disagree that the whining was really all that out of character for The Joker.
 
I think Brent Spiner did a good enough job personally. Not the greatest Joker, but far from the worst. He certainly sounded nothing like Adam West, who is honestly a very good serious actor. The Gray Ghost is proof enough of that.

Joker has been a sore loser on multiple occasions. Sticking with just animation there's Mad Love where he was quite angry when Batman told him that Harley came closer to beating him then he ever had, Return of the Joker where he was once again angry when Terry gained the upper hand in their battle, and various other Batman TAS episodes where he tends to look irritated that he lost, losing that trademark smile of his. He's laughed during his losses as well. It's just something that varies from plan to plan with Mr. J. That's very much his style.

Here Joker whined a bit that they didn't lose and set forward a trap that would have killed everyone, even himself. It was pretty fitting.

Also it has been suggested in the comics that The Joker has multiple personalities, so him mentioning such here is not really that much of a shock.

I'm not really trying to change Avenger's opinion, I just disagree that the whining was really all that out of character for The Joker.

Thats fine, I guess as a Joker fan I am used to the more win or lose I'm ganna smile Joker instead of bad loser (not to say he is not one-its more about the attitude) mindset and again I think it would have been way more fitting when he unleashed the Joker toxin if he was laughing instead of whining
 
I meant in the show's entire running time, I find it annoying


Okay but what does that have to do with whether it adds or detracts from the episode?

I like the characters to, not the bickering. How many times have we seen the boy and girl who do nothing but bicker ending up together, I just think if they wanted them to end up together they could have gone in an original direction instead of a cliched one

Barely anything is original these days. Cliches aren't bad in themselves, it's all in the execution. Besides we've already had a romance with traditional buildup on this show (Superboy/Miss Martian), so a different feel is needed.

Dude, I believed him but last time he didn't want to let flash go, the helmet is letting anyone where it and leave when the show has said that he latches on to a host, which he has not done once

For all you know, Aqualad might've promised him a suitable host while in the helmet, and later on he might reveal that.

Like I said I have no problem with people disagreeing with everything I said but just because I have a different opinion I am not wrong and neither are you but I think those with different opinions could at least respect my opinion instead of jumping on me for them.

Just because you have a different opinion doesn't mean you're right either.:p Also I don't see how I was "jumping on you" for your opinions, just friendly debating on opinions.
 
Okay but what does that have to do with whether it adds or detracts from the episode?

I find the catch phrase annoying and the fact that she says it every episode does not help and like I said it does not make the episode worse but it makes her as a character more annoying

Barely anything is original these days. Cliches aren't bad in themselves, it's all in the execution. Besides we've already had a romance with traditional buildup on this show (Superboy/Miss Martian), so a different feel is needed.

Thats no excuse, people should always try to stop bad cliches even if they are used by everybody. I find Superboy/meagan less cliched because he is not a jerk because of his personality but because he is new to the world and had no idea how to act.

For all you know, Aqualad might've promised him a suitable host while in the helmet, and later on he might reveal that.

Actually he clearly says that kent was the one that convinced naboo to release him and why would he keep important info like that from the team considering what keeping info from the team did last time.


Just because you have a different opinion doesn't mean you're right either.:p Also I don't see how I was "jumping on you" for your opinions, just friendly debating on opinions.

Actually I said neither of us are right for our opinions.

Felt a little more aggressive then a friendly debate but its good to know thats all it was and not anger for my opinion
 
I thought that this was a terrific episode. I thought that it was pretty funny how Robin and Aqualad knew that Superboy and Miss Martian are a couple. That just makes me wonder when Artemis and Kid Flash will end up together. I was quite surprised by Batman's decision to let the team fight against this Injustice League. It made sense given his plan, but most of those villains would give members of the Justice League a good run for their money. I didn't think that he would have that much confidence in their skills at this point. It was also pretty cool that Superboy brought Wolf with them. The image of a giant white wolf fighting super villains sounded and looked so awesome.

Even though they had to focus on the League fighting the plants and the team on their mission, I thought that the pacing was done quite well and the action scenes were great. I noticed that Red Arrow was helping Green Arrow out, which does make me think that their relationship will be amended at some point due to how he finally got help from the team. The team work in this episode was great as well and it really showed how well these heroes work together now. I was also genuinely surprised with that use of Dr. Fate's helmet. I didn't see that twist coming either. For awhile I thought that Aqualad would be stuck in there for awhile, but I was kind of glad that he was able to get out sooner rather than later. While the team is getting better, I think that they still need his leadership. At least Kent got a mention and said hello to Kid Flash.

I was also quite surprised with the ending. I didn't expect to have the members of the Light revealed all at once like that. I only recognized a few of the villains, but it was still pretty cool and quite clever that they used the Injustice League as a way to make the heroes think that they found out this secret society. I wonder if Batman thinks that this is the true secret society since they came out rather quickly. As for the Joker, I liked his design, but I didn't care much for his voice. It just felt forced more of the time and didn't sound like he was crazy enough or having enough fun. Overall, the episode was excellent with its action, the pacing and the revelation at the end. I hope that next week's episode will be fun to watch too.
 
I've been up since early in the morning, I'm still recovering from the flu, I spent all day running around New York Comic Con, and I will be doing the same tomorrow. I need a lot of sleep. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to miss out on watching and reviewing "Young Justice."

This was, to use a term coined by J. Michael Straczynski, a wham episode. So much happened, and fast. A lot of action, a lot of suspense and, yes, a big revelation. Although one that, I think, was guessed by many people before the episode aired. I will elaborate on that momentarily.

Giant plant creatures are terrorizing the world, and are being organized, seemingly, by the Injustice League. Count Vertigo, Wotan, Poison Ivy, Black Adam, Ultra Humanite, and the Joker. The Justice League faces the plant creatures while The Team are sent in to take down the villains' means to control the plants, ergo facing the villains.

The biggest surprise of this episode was Aqualad using the helmet of Dr. Fate to defeat the Injustice League, particularly Wotan. The battle was very suspenseful, and I was actually glad that in addition to Dr. Fate, The Team was bailed out by the Justice League. I think it would have strained credibility if The Team was able to defeat the Injustice League on their own.

The episode ends with both the League and The Team thinking they've defeated the secret society of villains that have been conspiring against them before we finally cut to Vandal Savage, and the revelation of the identities of The Light. The only real surprise in this line-up was Klarion, as action figure photos from ToyFair and those playing cards that were given away at San Diego Comic Con pretty much gave away everybody else, except for Ra's al Ghul and Lex Luthor who were revealed as members back in "Targets."

I like this line-up. A lot. I am especially excited that Vandal Savage is clearly the head honcho in this organization instead of Lex Luthor. I remember being rather disappointed when "Justice League" and "Justice League Unlimited" were airing and after introducing Vandal Savage, who had all the makings of a great Big Bad that would have helped the series better achieve their own identity, they defaulted (constantly) to Lex Luthor which helped make these series look more like direct sequels to "Superman the Animated Series."

I'm also very interested to learn more about what drives him. The way he uses the word "light" makes me think that, to him, this is more than just a cool name for his little secret society. This is a word that sums up something he deeply believes in. I also like his design, he looks like a savage and a neanderthal. I am curious to learn where those three scars across his face came from. Hmm... did he have a run in with a certain demon in Scotland back in the Dark Ages? ;)

The voice cast in this episode was quite interesting. First, I rather enjoyed Brent Spiner as the Joker. His performance has been getting some mixed reviews across the internet. I personally thought it was terrific, but there were times when it felt wrong to me too. And I know exactly why it did, because we've imbibed Mark Hamill as the Joker for nineteen years now. Hamill owns that role, at least as far as voice work goes. That's a lot to live up to, but I think Spiner will rise to the challenge and while he will never own the Joker the way Hamill does, he is already a worthy one.

Alyssa Milano sounded great as Poison Ivy, but I can tell she's new at voice acting. This is not a knock, with more time to play this character, and especially with a genius like Jamie Thomason directing her, I'm sure she will grow into it. I am reminded of Emma Samms in "City of Stone Part One," and how she grew as a voice actor by the time part four aired.

And I loved hearing Steve Blum again. He's been a favorite of mine for a long time.

The only things that felt a little bit odd to me was Wotan being a part of a group that was trying to ransom $10 billion. I'll admit, before tonight, I had never heard of Wotan. After the episode aired, I looked him up on wikipedia, and based on what I read, a ransom scheme doesn't seem like his style. He seems like someone who plays at higher stakes. Likewise, Klarion, seems too petty and impatient to be a part of an organization like The Light. But time, and more episodes will tell. This production team chose these characters for these positions for a reason, and Greg Weisman has not erred on his previous shows.

The other thing, I felt Aqualad was able to remove the helmet a little too easily. Yeah, he mentioned that Kent Nelson helped, but I hope the next time someone puts that helmet on, taking it off does not come so easily.

This episode was a real game changer, and it leaves me pumped to see what comes next. So far, this show has taken time to grow on me. I liked it, a lot. It's an A+ show, easily. But "Gargoyles" and "Spectacular Spider-Man" were A+ shows with a lot of extra credit. But now, for the first time, I am pumped on this show. I think the extra credit is about to be turned in.

Oh, and if you didn't love Artemis's line about feeling naked and not in the fun way, you have no soul.
 
Just some thoughts.

- So I guess M'gann and Conner haven't officially told anyone yet since Dick and Kaldur are talking about it. Funny. I would have thought the saliva exchange in Homefront would have tipped everyone off.

- Why did Wolf get to go on this mission while Sphere was stuck at home? Were they worried that Sphere might be taken or something? I just struck me as odd.

- Yay! Icon and Ricochet. I'm sorry that Dwayne McDuffie didn't get to see these guys animated.

- So we finally see the Light. This time I wasn't as annoyed with them because the past couple of eps didn't have them going on about how everything was going as planned. Actually, since T.O.Morrow doesn't seem to be one of them I wonder if he's going to be a monkeywrench in their plans at a later point. Also, having a Lord of Chaos on your team... Chaotic beings not really known for their loyalty.

- Lots of good action and banter going on between the good characters. The villains were just kind of... there, however. Not even sure why the Joker was one of them beyond needing the Joker Toxin since he's never really struck me as a team player.

- Wow. I think this is the first time I've seen people fall over and die on-screen in an American cartoon. Those poor firefighters.

All in all a good episode with decent action.
 

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