Young Justice "Homefront" Talkback (Spoilers)

[young101]

I'm sure if the show went on for ten seasons Greg would be able to develop all the characters including the cameos.But yes, I still believe there are cameos in this show.

There's obviously no strict rule. They do have some artistic license to create new characters or utilize existing ones from the comics.

 

[KYO'NYUU IMOUTO]

Ten seasons would get us past Batman: The Animated Series' episode order, breaking the curse of the past few DC shows.

This would make me shed a single tear of profound happiness.

 

[Lockjaw]

Well i dont know about anybody else but imho that was a load of awsome. Like others, i'm wondering if Red Tornado is actually the mole. The whole twist seemed a little too obvious from the way he's apparent strange behaviour was foreshadowed and being a machine it would be easy for someone to manipulate his actions.

This was probably my favorite ep so far, being a big Dick Grayson fan it was great to see him be the focus and Artemis shined too.

 

[jph139]

They do seem to be a bit lax on this rule for this show, considering they did create the new Aqualad (who also made it to the comics) and the Terror Twins for this show.

Aqualad is a close exception (same with Artemis; they're both somewhere between "original" and "repurposed" characters), but since he ended up in the comics first, I'd count him as a port. He was simultaneous, really, or close to it.

I was actually very surprised the Terror Twins AREN'T from the comics, though. They seem really interesting; hopefully they get Harley Quinn-ed over.\ at some point.

 

[Master Toon]

I have a question, is this whole mole thing covered in the old Young Justice comic? I don't want to use any brain power wondering about something that has already happened.

Wow, a lot of people don't read the tie-in comics. Paula was in prison for six years when her last run as a villain ended with her being crippled. She got out shortly before Artemis debuted in the show.

I didn't know there was one.

Red Tornado is not the mole.

He ONLY turned the moment he touched the other android.

It was all a set-up to lure Red Tornado to come to Mt. Justice and to turn him.


And yes...it was an error....when she said Dick was a freshman when they showed a pic of him last semester with a trophy so he should be at least a sophmore.

And why is Artemis using her real name in public and as a costumed superhero???

It's strange but it is only her first name after all.

Well i dont know about anybody else but imho that was a load of awsome. Like others, i'm wondering if Red Tornado is actually the mole. The whole twist seemed a little too obvious from the way he's apparent strange behaviour was foreshadowed and being a machine it would be easy for someone to manipulate his actions.

This was probably my favorite ep so far, being a big Dick Grayson fan it was great to see him be the focus and Artemis shined too.

Lord Sidious claims he turned once he touched one of the other androids. Besides I think Cheshire was talking about a mole amongst the Young Justice team not any of the Justice League members.

 

[W.C.Reaf]

They do seem to be a bit lax on this rule for this show, considering they did create the new Aqualad (who also made it to the comics) and the Terror Twins for this show.

That's never been a rule for this show. For Spec Spidey Weisman and Cook self-imposed the "no original characters" rule but neither Weisman nor Vietti have said they were doing the same for YJ.

 

[Robert McSantos]

Seems obvious to me that the mole has got to be either Miss Martian or Superboy at this point.

Kid Flash and Robin have no supervillain connections.

Aqualad is the biological son of Black Manta, but their conversation in Downtime implies he doesn't know that.

Artemis' internal monolog in this episode implies it isn't her.

It isn't Red Tornado, because he didn't turn against the team until after touching the other robot, and the ending with him just leaving suggests the other robots were after him all along.

Miss Martian is secretly a white Martian, and a casual observation she makes in Targets could be a hint that she has a chip on her shoulder over how the green Martians treat her people.

Superboy may have been a plant all along. The Light wanted him to be found. His fixation with getting closer to Superman could just be so he can stick the proverbial knife in.

 

[Dreyfus]

From the comments it seems like the Red Tornado theory isn't holding up. If not him, then maybe Speedy/Red Arrow?

 

[SuperPuppy]

Im not ruleing out the possibility that Red Tornado was indeed the mole....that scene looked more like he reactivated the Reds,

 

[young101]

It could be superboy as he was created by the light! It wouldn't be a stretch to say that the genomorphs brainwashed him so that he would give intel to the light without consciously knowing. He was suppose to replace superman after all. The only slight problem is that in Infiltrator, it sounded like the mole was planted after the team was created. That of course could be just weisman's narrative tricks to make the audience think artemis was the mole at first.

Of course after the revelations about artemis and her family, its clear that she isn't most likely the mole. But it was definitely intended for the episode infiltrator to make artemis look like the mole at first.

 

[RoryWilliams]

The tie-in comic makes it pretty clear Artemis isn't the mole. Her decision to become a superhero has to do with her defying her parents and she doesn't set out to be recruited into Young Justice. She isn't even aware of the existence of the YJ kids at that point.

Unless the Light approached and recruited her AFTER she already joined the team, it's highly unlikely she's the traitor. And of course if Cheshire was working for the Light, why would she threaten to expose Artemis? If anything she'd want her to be accepted into the team without any suspicion.

On the other hand, Superboy seems like a far less obvious mole, but there are some interesting little hints. There was a fairly ominous scene in one of the issues where he talks about how he's terrified of what the people at Cadmus put inside his head without him knowing.

 

[Master Toon]

From the comments it seems like the Red Tornado theory isn't holding up. If not him, then maybe Speedy/Red Arrow?

How can Red Arrow be the mole when he's not a part of the team and only associates with them on occasion?

 

[Robert McSantos]

Im not ruleing out the possibility that Red Tornado was indeed the mole....that scene looked more like he reactivated the Reds,

But then you have to ask yourself why they attacked the cave in the first place. If it was to kill or capture Young Justice, why didn't they do that when the entire team was unconscious?

 

[Glorion]

But then you have to ask yourself why they attacked the cave in the first place. If it was to kill or capture Young Justice, why didn't they do that when the entire team was unconscious?

The whole thing was a ruse to reprogram Red Tornado. That's why the two Red didn't kill the Team: they were biding time and waiting for Tornado.

 

[Capt. Speedbump]

Good episode. Not that there have been any bad ones, but you know what I mean.

One thing I really liked is not just that the focus was on the two "non-powered" heroes, but even how Kid Flash helped them out with his scientific knowledge; it sort of fit the theme with "non-powers" saves the day, since he didn't use his super speed, but he was still instrumental in taking down the Renegade Tornadoes. Obviously, it goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway; great to have Robin, Artemis and Kid Flash back (yes, they were gone for only two episodes, but when you factor in the hiatus...).

Count my voice among those saying Red Tornado is the "false mole", AKA the distraction designed to get everyone to think he's the mole as opposed to the "real mole". It does seem like the actions of the Renegade Tornadoes (that's what I'm calling them; I'm sure they have actual names, but my knowledge of the DC Universe is probably more limited than many others on this board) only make sense if their goal was to get to Red Tornado.

I guess we'll see where things go from here!

 

[suss2it]

This was a great episode. Possibly the best yet, but I always think that after seeing a new one. It was awesome to see Barbara, hopefully as Batgirl soon enough, and Bette Kane was a nice cameo as well. Robin is the funniest and most fun character on the show. His little Kodak moment and word play with "distraught" was fun. Love that little guy. Plus him going all James Bond with his gadgets and explosives. It was also neat to see him taking charge of the situation, shows why he'll eventually be a great leader.

It was also cool to get some spotlight on Artemis. She feels like the most real character on the show. It was nice to see her debating with herself whether to hide, fight or leave. Good stuff, and I pretty much knew that Cheshire was gonna Artemis' sister, but the confirmation was nice. Although, I'm not sure if Sportsmaster is really Cheshire's father. Kelly Hu was credited as Jade Nguyen, not "Crock", so maybe that's part of why she chose to dip when her mom got caught.

I have a question, is this whole mole thing covered in the old Young Justice comic? I don't want to use any brain power wondering about something that has already happened.

Not really.

From the comments it seems like the Red Tornado theory isn't holding up. If not him, then maybe Speedy/Red Arrow?

How can Roy be the mole? He's not even on the team. How much good intel could he really get for The Light? However, I'm not entirely sold on Red Tornado either. I think like a few others he only got reprogrammed when he nearly touched that one android.

 

[Monte]

My guess is that superboy is the mole... possibly somekind of sleeper programing or something

The tie-in comic...

Aqualad is the biological son of...

Would it kill people to use SPOILER tags when bring up info revealed in the tie-in comics... really didn't need to read all that, especially the second one (first one i can excuse since it only confirms my suspicions )

 

[Darking]

What if Red Tornado is the Mole, but isn't even aware of it? Like a keylogger that's been installed on an unsuspecting system.

And T.O.Morrow was trying to grab Tornado to dis-infect the system.

 

[Zombie]

I don't think the mole is necessarily part of the Team of young heroes. At the end of Infiltrator the Light say they have "an operative on the inside". And then in Targets Sportsmaster says he has "An inside source. Very inside." The Light probably don't differentiate between the heroes based on team, they are probably all considered 'Justice League'. So the inside source could easily be a member of the Justice League (although Superboy is still a strong possibility).

I think Robin, Kid Flash, Artemis, and Red Tornado are in the clear. I can't see it being Miss Martian. Her behaviour while on her own in Bereft doesn't exactly scream traitor to me. Aqualad would be a surprise as well, being as if he hadn't been there in Downtime, the Light's plan wouldn't have failed. Odd if he's the mole. So if the traitor is on the team, it has to be Superboy. I can't actually think of a Justice Leaguer who would make sense as the mole. Zatara possibly?

 

[Gold Starz]

Would it kill people to use SPOILER tags when bring up info revealed in the tie-in comics... really didn't need to read all that, especially the second one (first one i can excuse since it only confirms my suspicions )

The Aqualad thing has been known since before the show even started. I'm not even sure if the comics have even talked about it.