Littlest Pet Shop - Heart of Parkness Talkback

[bobbybop]

Sunil faces down a cobra at the park, and the grateful raccoons want him to stay and become their leader.

 

[zoombie]

Liked the episode, Sunil being the king, that was funny. It is nice to see the whole Biskit family together.

Though I don't know why Blythe has to be so mean to Whitney and Brittany, they were not antagonist at all in this episode, I am all for the Team Rocket rule of punish them when they deserve it, but spare them the blast off when they are good, they were just minding their own business and got dragged into their father's mess. He kind of deserved some punishment for doing something illegal, though unknowningly, I don't think he would do anything illegal on purpose, this is not Varrick we are talking about.

All and all a good episode, I love Sunil, just writers don't pick on my girls when they don't deserve it.

 

[Zanneck]

I guess I'm the only one who finds the suffering of semi-unlikables like the Biskits cathartic, then.

Other than that, this is just one more step DEFINITELY IN HE RIGHT DIRECTION for Season 2 of this show so far. Overall Very good Sunil episode, aided mostly by focusing on characters I care about (the pets and Blythe) and punishing ones I don't (for being annoying, which the Biskits are, honestly - I said it before, I'll say it again - any other show would have them beat up for their unlikable behavior - just be thankful this ain't that kind of show is all I can say, deserved as much as it is, IMHO...).

Here's hoping LPS next week can deliver, just like I'm sure that good old, yet overrated, pony show likely will...

 

[zoombie]

I guess I'm the only one who finds the suffering of semi-unlikables like the Biskits cathartic, then.

Other than that, this is just one more step DEFINITELY IN HE RIGHT DIRECTION for Season 2 of this show so far. Overall Very good Sunil episode, aided mostly by focusing on characters I care about (the pets and Blythe) and punishing ones I don't (for being annoying, which the Biskits are, honestly - I said it before, I'll say it again - any other show would have them beat up for their unlikable behavior - just be thankful this ain't that kind of show is all I can say, deserved as much as it is, IMHO...).

Here's hoping LPS next week can deliver, just like I'm sure that good old, yet overrated, pony show likely will...

What is your problem with the Biskits? Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean it is okay to pick on them for no reason.

I am a little confused, you are not the same peson obcessed with those two mean girls from Kajudo are you?, maybe it someone else, but the Biskits are more likeable than those two.

 

[Zanneck]

What is your problem with the Biskits? Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean it is okay to pick on them for no reason.

I am a little confused, you are not the same peson obcessed with those two mean girls from Kajudo are you?, maybe it someone else, but the Biskits are more likeable than those two.

Oh, that is someone else, indefinitely. I may not be a fan of the Biskits, but I'd never side with liking worse characters than them, ever! Then again - you're right about one thing. Even though I don't like those two idiots, seeing this show turn into a torture fest for them would definitely be NO FUN TO WATCH. I'm just sick of them being portrayed as bully characters who are shown to be below average in IQ, but that can be blamed on, like you said earlier - the writers of this show for them as a whole. Unfortunately, as much as I value your views and opinions on the situation, this DOES NOT change mine on the subject matter at hand.

Let's just agree to disagree on some stuff, like what I'm about to attempt to do here and now: Due to how the writers chose to have portrayed them, period (which I agree with you is wrong and not helping matters here.), I can't feel anything about them but annoyance or anger every time they come on screen, for fear that they will do something that unfortunately isn't in the way an antagonist is meant to inspire the viewer to feel that way about that kind of character, if at all.

Don't get it twisted like I'm asking for them to change overnight, however, either. That would never work (and NEVER does!) and will just come off as jarring, as well as a dodging of a more serious issue with these kinds of character portrayals, especially in otherwise overall good shows like this one (and FIM, too), in general.

As much as I don't like those two idiots, I'd rather see them develop into something better slowly than just see them tortured like Squidward, as much as they deserve it for unfortunately being those two bullies everyone has to put up with, IMHO.

As for them becoming better characters? I feel that's what should've happened by now, period. Anything to help this show continue to get better and better moving forward...

 

[Goldstar!]

Liked the episode, Sunil being the king, that was funny. It is nice to see the whole Biskit family together.

Well, not the entire Biskit family. I like to think that Mrs. Biskit is just perpetually off screen until we get some definitive proof that she's dead or otherwise out of the picture. Also, I imagine Mrs. Biskit having black hair like Whitney, since Britney and Mr. Biskit both have white hair.

Though I don't know why Blythe has to be so mean to Whitney and Brittany, they were not antagonist at all in this episode,

All and all a good episode, I love Sunil, just writers don't pick on my girls when they don't deserve it.

Well, while Whitney & Britney didn't do anything to antagonize Blythe in this episode, I wouldn't say that they were completely innocent either. After all, it was they who let the cobra out of his containment unit and into the wild in the 1st place, although in their defense, that was more thoughtless on their part than antagonistic.

zoombie, you frequently compare the Biskit Twins to Team Rocket on Pokemon, and like Jessie & James, I'm sure that there are some LPS fans (myself included) who'd like to see Whitney & Britney be shown in a more positive light and become Blythe's friends, but it would seem that the shows' writers would prefer to keep them as antagonists and comic relief (what with their constantly being made to look shallow and vapid, lacking even basic knowledge of some things).

In any case, I like Sunil, so it's nice to get a story that focuses on him, and I like it when the other pets show him respect.

 

[Silverstar]

One gag I liked was when Minka complained that cabin fever was making her hyper and crazy, the others pointed out that she's hyper and crazy all the time.

 

[zoombie]

Yesterday I had people over, so I kind of went in and out watching the episode, but now I got a chance to watch the whole episode undestratic, here my thought.

I find it quite conisdental we had an episode that involve the whole Biskit family doing something together, the same weekend of the last four episode of season 2 of Legend Of Korra, which also involved father and twin children doing something together family, granted it was drasticly different, but it was father and twin bonding weekend.

Onto the episode, I loved it for the most part, I have a couple of gripes, but I will get to that later. A Sunil is always welcome, we saw a real freakin Cobra, a Shivers cameo, and an awesome new pigin character, I love him already. I also thoughts the Biskits and when I say the Biskits the whole family was hillarous, I love the ending when motived Whitney and Brittany can get past their lazy streak and Fisher water skiing.

That being said, I don't like Blythe and the pets being mean to the Biskits at the end, they didn't deserve it. They should use the Team Rocket rule, which is when they are good, they don't get blast off, Whitney and Brittany were not mean or antgonistic this episode, so leave them alone you meanies. Yeah they let the Cobra lopse, but that was just being stupid not mean, though Fisher did something illegal, though not knowingly, this is not Varrick we are talking about, sorry I got Korra on my mind this weekend. It would be better if just some force of nature caused the Biskits mishap at the end to happen, it is okay if karma does that, but our heros idental to do something like that, not cool.

And I don't like them villanfy Largest Pet Shop, it is not an evil store, they might not be confortable as Littlest Pet Shop, but I don't like the implification it is okay to sabatage their business just because, it was not okay what they did in "Gailbreak", here it is better because Fisher was doing something illegal, but Blythe and the pets don't know that, it is the same thing with Madison, they villanfy her because working in a pet shop is not for her, it is not an evil store, this is not Katrina Stoneheart and her operation from the original Pound Puppies. It just grines my gears to quote Peter Griffin.

But I loved the episode, and I loved "Gailbreak" it is one of my favorites even though I hated the lack of moral message, and telling because you don't like someone, it is okay to do something mean.

And Goldstar Neom you know Team Rocket most of the time are bad guys, they try to steal Pokemon and get balsted off at the end, but in the occational episodes they don't do anything antagonistic, they don't get blasted off, that is what I meant. When the Biskits are mean, yes give them comeuppings, but when they are just comic relief airheads, back off them, that is what I was trying to say when I was referring to the Team Rocket rule.

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[Goldstar!]

I understand the Team Rocket comparison. A similar sort of evolution happened with Bulk & Skull on Mighty Morphin Power Rangers; the characters started out as bullies and were later transformed into good natured goofs. I'm not saying that such a thing will definitely happen with the Biskits, but there's always the possibility that it could. And Fisher doing something illegal was a tad out of character for him. I similarly dislike it when rich upper-class folk are constantly represented as the shows' heavys. Having boat loads of money doesn't automatically mean that you don't have a heart or that you lack morals.

Also, how many kids (and how many adults, for that matter) got that the pigeon was a parody of Dennis Hopper's character from the movie Apocalypse Now ("He's a god, man!")? In fact, this episode's title "Heart of Parkness" is a play on the title Heart of Darkness, which is the title of the book that the 1978 movie was based on.

 

[Silverstar]

I guess I might as well weigh in on the whole Biskit Twins discussion:

Anyone who knows me knows how I feel about cartoon bullies: I can't stand them. That said, while I truly hate the trope that Whittany and Brittany represent, for purely aesthetic reasons I can at least tolerate their shenanigans on the show for the most part, though like you guys I'd like to see the twins evolve beyond their usual scope of one-dimensional cardboard villains. To be honest, "The Nest Hat Craze!" was (to date) the only episode in which I truly disliked Brittany and Whittany, and it's (again, to date) the only episode which I probably won't watch much in reruns because of that. I get that the Biskit Twins are shallow rich snoots used to getting their own way, and that since Blythe is the only person who doesn't kiss up to them, they view her as a rival (though I've never seen any other kids kissing up to them, so that plot point is dubious at best), but the writers took things too far in that episode. Some acts of jerkiness I can accept for the purposes of plot, but bounding and gagging a person and holding them against their will just to satisfy your own selfish desires is the line for me, especially since they were allowed to just walk away without receiving any come-uppance for their bad behavior.

However, I do like the Twins' designs; I especially like Brittany's white hair. I just find that cool looking, like Elena from Street Fighter 3 or Storm from X-Men.

 

[zoombie]

I guess I might as well weigh in on the whole Biskit Twins discussion:

Anyone who knows me knows how I feel about cartoon bullies: I can't stand them. That said, while I truly hate the trope that Whittany and Brittany represent, for purely aesthetic reasons I can at least tolerate their shenanigans on the show for the most part, though like you guys I'd like to see the twins evolve beyond their usual scope of one-dimensional cardboard villains. To be honest, "The Nest Hat Craze!" was (to date) the only episode in which I truly disliked Brittany and Whittany, and it's (again, to date) the only episode which I probably won't watch much in reruns because of that. I get that the Biskit Twins are shallow rich snoots used to getting their own way, and that since Blythe is the only person who doesn't kiss up to them, they view her as a rival (though I've never seen any other kids kissing up to them, so that plot point is dubious at best), but the writers took things too far in that episode. Some acts of jerkiness I can accept for the purposes of plot, but bounding and gagging a person and holding them against their will just to satisfy your own selfish desires is the line for me, especially since they were allowed to just walk away without receiving any come-uppance for their bad behavior.

However, I do like the Twins' designs; I especially like Brittany's white hair. I just find that cool looking, like Elena from Street Fighter 3 or Storm from X-Men.

Good point, they got away with murder in "Nest Hats Craz", but here they get punsihment for just excisting, I guess it evens out. I guess they are using the reverse Team Rocket rule.

 

[Silverstar]

Since this was a Sunil-centered episode, I thought I'd share this little bit o' trivia with y'all: did you know that Sunil was the only LPS pet to not receive a name change when the show was in pre-production?

According to an LPS fan wiki (so take this with a grain of salt), originally most of the Pets had different names: Penny Ling was originally Lolly, Pepper was originally Jasmine, Vinnie was originally Tony (and he was originally going to wear an earring and a gold chain around his neck), Russel was originally Winston, Minka was originally Margo (and at first she was going to wear a skirt) and Zoe was originally named Lady Ra-Ra (an obvious reference to pop singer Lady Gaga; perhaps that name was changed as a precaution against a possible lawsuit from the singer), but Sunil was apparently always going to be called Sunil.

 

[Zanneck]

I guess I might as well weigh in on the whole Biskit Twins discussion:

Anyone who knows me knows how I feel about cartoon bullies: I can't stand them. That said, while I truly hate the trope that Whittany and Brittany represent, for purely aesthetic reasons I can at least tolerate their shenanigans on the show for the most part, though like you guys I'd like to see the twins evolve beyond their usual scope of one-dimensional cardboard villains. To be honest, "The Nest Hat Craze!" was (to date) the only episode in which I truly disliked Brittany and Whittany, and it's (again, to date) the only episode which I probably won't watch much in reruns because of that. I get that the Biskit Twins are shallow rich snoots used to getting their own way, and that since Blythe is the only person who doesn't kiss up to them, they view her as a rival (though I've never seen any other kids kissing up to them, so that plot point is dubious at best), but the writers took things too far in that episode. Some acts of jerkiness I can accept for the purposes of plot, but bounding and gagging a person and holding them against their will just to satisfy your own selfish desires is the line for me, especially since they were allowed to just walk away without receiving any come-uppance for their bad behavior.

I'm not going to lie - as good as this was, specifically for a Sunil episode... Something really needs to be done about the Biskits - I feel they're hurting this show's overall accessibility in some way, courtesy of what you pointed out (as well as myself, despite not doing the best job of it, IMHO.). Their idiocy is dragging this show down after awhile of it - and for anyone else who sees it and unfortunately feel the same way, that must be quite a turnoff... Maybe if they got a small story arc and learned how to be real friends, that way Blythe wouldn't risk lowering herself to their level, like she unfortunately risked doing here in an otherwise very good episode this early on in the new season...

At this point, I'd rather go out of my comfort zone with this show to see Blythe's friends get some... SOME (just not too much, remember who this show belongs to!) screen time and actually develop into better characters if we must keep them around at all. JUST NOT at the expense of the pets, who have been on fire in all the right ways as of these 4 episodes!

I guess one more thing I can admire this show that little bit more for and respect its writers in the least for trying is just that - NOBODY kisses up to those fools. Nobody should - I don't care if you're rich; You're unlikable? You deserve what you get for being unlikable. That's how more Western animation writers should approach characters like these if we must deal with them at all - that... Is one of many steps to take in the right direction!

 

[SaneMan]

did the twins just get dumber?