"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 18 (Spoilers)

[Geodude]

Well, season two is exploring more 'far out concepts' and we've already seen at least one way death can be reversed on Earth-16 (though speaking hypothetically, if Barry dies I doubt anyone would throw him in a Lazarus Pit). "Bloodlines" sorta indirectly alluded to the fact the Thawne family (Impulse's mother was a Thawne in the comics) exist so we might get Professor Zoom.

By "Barry's potential reason", I meant the pregnancy/kids, which was the reason I had been justifying all along. But...you knew that, right?

And I never knew that about Bart, wow.

 

[Hordesman]

Well, season two is exploring more 'far out concepts' and we've already seen at least one way death can be reversed on Earth-16 (though speaking hypothetically, if Barry dies I doubt anyone would throw him in a Lazarus Pit). "Bloodlines" sorta indirectly alluded to the fact the Thawne family (Impulse's mother was a Thawne in the comics) exist so we might get Professor Zoom.

I can see it being the case that Barry's death might be the key to fix Impulse's world but after Batman Beyond Unlimited 4, I gotta say while character death is the most dramatic outcome I do feel like it can also come off as a copout.

 

[Yojimbo]

By "Barry's potential reason", I meant the pregnancy/kids, which was the reason I had been justifying all along. But...you knew that, right?

And I never knew that about Bart, wow.

Yeah, I did.

Yep, fights nicely with some in the Team having a villain in the fam.

 

[spartanx54]

If selfishness means making your children/family your first priority, everyone should be selfish. It would solve a lot of problems with kids.

Wally's only real physical reason keeping him from the hero business is temporary. Barry's potential reason is sorta permanent.

You also have to remember 8 Justice League powerhouses are off-Earth. Like I said i don't think Barry would drop off a HUGE responsibility to Wally.

 

[Nygma]

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Does it bother anyone else that Wally always seems to get the short end of the stick? He seems to be the character that the producers love to pick on.

In what ways? I've seen this ALOT online, but I just think it's become so grossly over exaggerated that over time people start to believe the exaggerations. Like when someone said they might of saw a UFO, and the story starts to become more exaggerated than what it is.

 

[Lighthammer]

One thing bothers me thou...is Tempest still a member of the team, or did he quit after Tula died?

There's more then a few statuses that are currently unclear.

Tempest could still be on the team but simply inactive.

Inactive or not, Tula's Death seems to be more recent. Personally, I'm under the impression the death occurred over the course of the last year. I also suspect that Tempest's "inactive status" (lets go with that for now since we have no evidence yet he quit, it gives the situation the benefit of the doubt) might have been to either grieve or pursue Kaldor.

It's tough to tell without a few more bones, but this is some of my working theories.

If he was as fast as lightspeed, he would have had no problem nailing the villain before he detonated. He's faster than Wally, but did it actually state somewhere he could approach the speed of light?

You guys are misquoting the episode =(.

Barry says "Near light speed". That number is very subjective. At this point though, it doesn't prove he can actually hit light speed.

I also do get the feeling that in this universe, using that speed might cause ill effects. It could be my imagination (or maybe reading too much into the incident), but he appeared to hesitate for a second before making the attempt.

While I agree that the pregnacy would be a better option, dropping of the Flash mantle to Wally, who is clearly out of the superhero business and enjoying his time with his girlfriend, would be very selfish.

Unless they're gonna milk things for a few months in universe I just don't see that being a viable reason for a potential reason Barry might 'leave' the mantle.

Let's not forget: Season 2 takes place between Jan 1, 2016 to July 4th, 2016. Bloodlines starts on Feburary 28th. That means by the time the season ends she will only be about 3 months pregnant. Sure, you could say she got her test because she missed her period making it potentially four months, but that still means by the season ends, she'll have 5-6 more months.

Leaving to help raise the family is a reasonable argument, just not in that time frame. Septemberish 2016 would be the earliest one might expect Barry to drop being the flash for a reason like that --- unless an incident occurs which makes him and Iris fear for the possibility he might not live to see his kids born.

 

[Geodude]

Unless they're gonna milk things for a few months in universe I just don't see that being a viable reason for a potential reason Barry might 'leave' the mantle.

Let's not forget: Season 2 takes place between Jan 1, 2016 to July 4th, 2016. Bloodlines starts on Feburary 28th. That means by the time the season ends she will only be about 3 months pregnant. Sure, you could say she got her test because she missed her period making it potentially four months, but that still means by the season ends, she'll have 5-6 more months.

Leaving to help raise the family is a reasonable argument, just not in that time frame. Septemberish 2016 would be the earliest one might expect Barry to drop being the flash for a reason like that --- unless an incident occurs which makes him and Iris fear for the possibility he might not live to see his kids born.

You are completely right. I hadn't thought that aspect through. That last sentence could very well come into play though. Iris could even reason that it's one thing to worry about Barry at "work" when it's just her, because she can take of herself and stuff (she has a career of her own after all), but another thing entirely when he's leaving her and two upcoming kids behind to fight crime. Know what I mean? So maybe she convinces him to retire.

 

[reflection01]

If Barry's quitting because he doesn't want to endanger the father of his children, it's not too early to quit now. Barry already had a near brush with death. He admires Jay and Joan being married for 70 years. He met his grandson already. They've set up a retirement.

 

[Skaddix]

If Barry's quitting because he doesn't want to endanger the father of his children, it's not too early to quit now. Barry already had a near brush with death. He admires Jay and Joan being married for 70 years. He met his grandson already. They've set up a retirement.

True in normal times its okay. But look at the state of the League of now. They are down a third of their members including a good deal of their heavy hitters. Have Lost 5 Founders and There is an incoming invasion. Can Barry really afford to go into retirement at this point?

 

[Lighthammer]

You are completely right. I hadn't thought that aspect through. That last sentence could very well come into play though. Iris could even reason that it's one thing to worry about Barry at "work" when it's just her, because she can take of herself and stuff (she has a career of her own after all), but another thing entirely when he's leaving her and two upcoming kids behind to fight crime. Know what I mean? So maybe she convinces him to retire.

Imagine though if every cop and every member of the active military would run into that situation. Sure, many often do take safer jobs, but if everyone walked away from doing their job that could at any moment require them to sacrifice their life to save others, both our police force and military force would close in on itself.

I don't deny something like that MIGHT happen, but personally, I would expect it to come after some pretty dramatic / traumatic incident. Personally, I would even go so far as to suggest the incident in question might cause his life to become endangered without him attempting to save someone (IE Someone decides to try to kill him).

I don't think the possibility of him stepping down earlier because of something like that is out the question, I just think before he would go to the length, something would have to happen to rattle him and/or Iris.

Heck, Bart might convince him to step down and confess he was going to die. That might be a good enough linchpin to cause him to hang up the mantle.

 

[Dorko]

In what ways? I've seen this ALOT online, but I just think it's become so grossly over exaggerated that over time people start to believe the exaggerations. Like when someone said they might of saw a UFO, and the story starts to become more exaggerated than what it is.

Kind of like Green Arrow's reputation for being a utter cad.

 

[TheFlash4444]

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Does it bother anyone else that Wally always seems to get the short end of the stick? He seems to be the character that the producers love to pick on.

Not really. Wally hasn't really had any huge challenges besides revealing his feeling for Artemis and now his fear of not becoming to surpass or match his mentor's superspeed which was the most apparent in this episode. I think that reason alone is why people are a bit oversensitive with him including myself. I do think like the other characters this is another challenge that he will overcome and he will shine. There's no way they would even put him in this series if this wasn't true and not everything is going to perfect in his life but he will overcome because he is a good/strong person.

 

[RoryWilliams]

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Does it bother anyone else that Wally always seems to get the short end of the stick? He seems to be the character that the producers love to pick on.

People keep saying this in the wake of the episode, but I'm not seeing it. Very rarely do the writers throw in stuff without expanding on it in later episodes. The constant digs at Wally being slow and redundant are clearly leading up to something, not just the writers attacking him because they don't like him.

As I'm sure it's been noted by now, Wally's speed powers ended up petering out and nearly killing him in the comics around the time he reached his 20's. This was just before they made him the new Flash, of course.

 

[Marvelman02]

Yet he is the one with a normal life with a family and going to college living with his hot girlfriend. Oh if we could all get picked on like that.

Yeah, I did notice that. When it comes to girls, Wally is really lucky.

 

[SuperPuppy]

If Professor Zhoom knows Barry's secret identity on Earth-16 then i dont think he can ever quit being the Flash.
Not with a maniac wanting revenge against you and your family anyway...

 

[Geodude]

Heck, Bart might convince him to step down and confess he was going to die. That might be a good enough linchpin to cause him to hang up the mantle.

Or maybe Jay convinces Barry to retire and let Wally take the mantle, just like Barry did with Jay, according to Wally's story in the comics.

 

[RoryWilliams]

If Professor Zoom knows Barry's secret identity on Earth-16 then i dont think he can ever quit being the Flash.
Not with a maniac wanting revenge against you and your family anyway...

Given that Nightwing was so skeptical of Bart, and Wally's statement about "theoretical" time travel, it's possible (and likely) that such a concept is still seen as uncommon or impossible. This could very well indicate that Zoom hasn't yet fought Barry, or if he has, Earth-16 Zoom has a drastically-altered back story.

 

[Yojimbo]

Given that Nightwing was so skeptical of Bart, and Wally's statement about "theoretical" time travel, it's possible (and likely) that such a concept is still seen as uncommon or impossible. This could very well indicate that Zoom hasn't yet fought Barry, or if he has, Earth-16 Zoom has a drastically-altered back story.

I agree, it sounded like there was the underlying implication time travel was still pretty much a concept. I think the only person we know of, before Bart Allen, who succeeded in time travel was Captain Atom - but it was an accident. In May 1968, he absorbed too much energy and got shot several decades (probably 40 years to make it a nice clean number to 2008) into the future.

 

[Skaddix]

not really even if he lightspeeed (3x10^8 m/s) depends on how fast the pulses come if its in microsecond 1x10^-6 s then he is only making it 300 meters nowhere close to a desert. assuming central city is somewhere near st. Louis. i assume he is running in the direction of Oklahoma. that is about 500 miles or lets say about 800 KM or 800,000 meters so pulses would have to be separated by about 3 milliseconds for him make it. assuming he is telling the truth and can actually move at lightspeed then its perfectly reasonable he fails to make it to the nearest desert. also pulses are accelerating.a

actually we are know time travel exists how soon does everyone forget who klarion's buddy was when he is trying to steal fate's helmet.

 

[Yojimbo]

actually we are know time travel exists how soon does everyone forget who klarion's buddy was when he is trying to steal fate's helmet.

True and you beat me to editing my post. I forgot Kid Flash mentioned Flash debunked Abra Kadabra's magic as future tech in "Denial." So those two in particular shouldn't be too skeptical about time travel.