Trigun's Brilliance - I Still Don't Get It....

[Travis]

If you know too much, or expect things, then you won't experience the suprises and won't have as great an experience.
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Thats not true. In Romeo and Juliet at the begining it tells you they will die and so on and so fourth. But it is still good.

 

[Shnay]

So far, I'm in agreement with JC and the gang. I did like last night's (Monday's) episode, but overall, my reaction so far has been "This is Trigun? Am I missing something?"

So far all I've been seeing is a slapstick western that's comedy often falls falt. I try to watch things without any expectations, but it's hard to when people keep talking about it so highly. I'll keep watching, as people's high praise of the second half have intrigued me, so I'll have to go back to the old "wait and see" standby.

 

[Nabuca]

So far, I'm in agreement with JC and the gang. I did like last night's (Monday's) episode, but overall, my reaction so far has been "This is Trigun? Am I missing something?"

So far all I've been seeing is a slapstick western that's comedy often falls falt. I try to watch things without any expectations, but it's hard to when people keep talking about it so highly. I'll keep watching, as people's high praise of the second half have intrigued me, so I'll have to go back to the old "wait and see" standby.

People like myself, praising Trigun = People who have seen the entire series
People iffy about Trigun = People who havent.
I see a pattern here.
Stick with it folks, its worth it.

 

[Neo-Era]

People like myself, praising Trigun = People who have seen the entire series
People iffy about Trigun = People who havent.
I see a pattern here.
Stick with it folks, its worth it.

Not really. I've seen the whole thing, too, and while the series really picks up during the middle eps

Spoiler

the ending is rushed and feels tacked on, which isn't unusual for anime adapted from manga. Starts off mediocre, gets good during the middle, ends badly.

 

[Opaque]

Its true though, you have to see the whole series to understand its merit... you dont use half the ingrediants to a cake and call it a cake, you also dont watch a few episodes of a series and deside wther or not it is good...

 

[David Lucas]

I just recently saw the whole series, and here is my honest opinion.

A very good show, without a doubt one of my top 10. Doubtfully in the top 3 though. One of the episodes coming up is nothing but a clip show, which could have been used to further Vash's history. Compared to Bebop....well you just can't do it (BE SILENT JC! ^_^) However, I can say that once the first GHG (I'll keep it at that) shows up it gets better.

Wolfwood will most certainly become your favorite character when he's introduced. Here's a perfect way to describe Wolfwood in Bebop terms:

Cowboy Andy : Vash

Spike Spiegel: Wolfwood

He acts like Vash, he's as goofy as Vash, but he's much cooler and wears pretty much the same outfit as Spike. There's a lot more to Trigun that meets the eye and I wish

I WISH

Willams Street's dumb ass didn't put that last clip of Vash in the AS opening, god why don't they just show the last battle in the entire series in that damn opening.

Spoiler

Oh wait.....

 

[.hack//Tsukasa]

TRIGUN is realy good twords the end. like Eva it bulds up. its the best anime curently running on Cartoon Network. second is .hack//sign

 

[zmanjz]

Thats not true. In Romeo and Juliet at the begining it tells you they will die and so on and so fourth. But it is still good.

...

That's an Illogical argument.

The fact that you can have a good experience doesn't mean that the loss of suspense means nothing.

 

[Ikwig]

Well, I loved Trigun from the very first ep to the final one. The best thing about it, IMHO, is that is evolves: nothing about this show is ever completely static - the characters, the plot, and the viewer's understanding of what is going on all move forward, grow and change with each episode.

As far as the Trigun vs. Bebop thing goes, I'm afraid I just can't compare the two. I have strong feelings for both series, but the reasons behind my feelings are so different that comparisons just aren't possible.

Anyhoo, in general I try to not compare series (or pay any attention to other's comparisons of them) so that I can watch a new show without expectations to color my opinions.

 

[Shnay]

People like myself, praising Trigun = People who have seen the entire series
People iffy about Trigun = People who havent.
I see a pattern here.
Stick with it folks, its worth it.

I've said over and over again that I will stick with it. I'm not judging the series yet because I haven't seen the whole thing yet, and I realize that. All of my reviews have been "...so far..." or "...judging by these episodes..." I never tried to make any judgements on the series as a whole. I just said that, based on what I've seen so far, it doesn't appeal to me all that much, and I have trouble seeing where all the praise is coming from. But, as I've said several times before, it is because of this high praise that I will watch the whole series.

 

[RedBoot]

I don't think I've ever met anyone who, after seeing all of Trigun, still didn't like it. I'm sure some people out there don't, but if you stick with it, chances are you'll find something you like about it.

When I first watched Trigun, I was watching it with a friend of mine. We both enjoyed the early episodes, but I was much more into it than he was. I'm one of those people who likes Goofy Vash just as much as Serious Vash. While my friend was enjoying the series, he wasn't as estatic about it as I was. But after we got to episode 12, we both really got into it. So, just keep watching.

However, don't expect episode 12 to be an "End all, be all, Greatest Thing Ever!" or something. I know when Bebop premired, that image was given to Ballad of Fallen Angels and some people expected too much of the episode. But ep.12 does make quite a change in the series. There's a bit of a pause after it since ep.13 is a clip show and 14 is filler, but from there on things get heavy. Basically, if you like ep.12, you'll like the rest of the series.

Anyway...so many people saying whether Bebop is better, or Trigun is better...and everyone treats Outlaw Star as an obvious 3rd place. I wonder if I'm the only one who likes Outlaw Star the best of all...

 

[ohmrbill]

As far as the Trigun vs. Bebop thing goes, I'm afraid I just can't compare the two. I have strong feelings for both series, but the reasons behind my feelings are so different that comparisons just aren't possible.

My feelings exactly. These two show share almost nothing in common, except for the use of guns and the whole "cowboy" thing.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

Bebop is Bebop. Trigun is Trigun. Let's leave that part as it is.

Personally, even though Trigun isn't the greatest show to me, it still is a heck of a lot of fun. The main reasons behind the early episodes in seeing "Goofy Vash" is due to contrasting him as well as connecting him to "Vash the Stampede" later on. But that doesn't mean that you can only like one or the other. (sort of like Kenshin: I am watching it for the first time right now on Toonami and seem to like "Swirly-Eyes Kenshin" just as much as "Hitokiri Battousai") I think that with JC, he is enabled with his opinions....and if that means he doesn't like Trigun, so be it. (but then again, this post is from someone who loves Digimon, but can't stand .hack//sign)

 

[Forbidden]

Not impressed

I've seen all of Trigun, and I'm not impressed. What really turned me off, especially in the first half, is the constant use of cartoonish faces. Whenever a character did something silly, they all of a sudden had their face morphed into this giant stupid caricature. Half the time Vash's face looks like a human, the other half it's some sort of mutant disney chipmunk. The humor wasn't even terribly good, mostly standard embarrassment jokes with the mutant chipmunk faces acting as a laugh track.

The second half looked promising, which I'll hopefully get the spoiler tags correctly for...

Spoiler

The interesting background brought up in the second half is, as far as I remember, never fully resolved. We see Vash as a child, but we're never satisfactorily told just what the heck he and the other one ARE, and what their relationship to the technology is. It's clearly more than "they were taught what all the technology is", since Vash is seen waving his arms at the "plant" and causing it to be fixed. The other one just "wanders off" and comes back with magical guns. Maybe I missed it, but where he goes or how he gets them is never said.

Perhaps, like many movies/tv shows based on a book/manga, it cuts out large sections of plot for the sake of time/action, as it seems these days, producers feel that the audience has the attention span on ferret on mountain dew, and can't sit still for any length of monologue. A pity, too, since some of the most memorable scenes in the greatest works have been monologues...

And I've fed Mountain Dew to my ferret, trust me, it ain't pretty...

 

[RedBoot]

Whenever a character did something silly, they all of a sudden had their face morphed into this giant stupid caricature. Half the time Vash's face looks like a human, the other half it's some sort of mutant disney chipmunk.

Welcome to anime. Do yourself a favor and never watch Rurouni Kenshin, Tenchi Muyo, or Magic Knight Rayearth, as you'll see that a lot in those (especially in MKR). Hell, 75% of anime has that sort of thing quite often.

 

[tlsmith1963]

I've seen all of Trigun, and I'm not impressed. What really turned me off, especially in the first half, is the constant use of cartoonish faces. Whenever a character did something silly, they all of a sudden had their face morphed into this giant stupid caricature. Half the time Vash's face looks like a human, the other half it's some sort of mutant disney chipmunk. The humor wasn't even terribly good, mostly standard embarrassment jokes with the mutant chipmunk faces acting as a laugh track.

A lot of anime series are like that. They tend to draw wacky faces on the characters whenever something crazy happens. After awhile you get used to it.

Tammy

 

[Wervyn]

The second half looked promising, which I'll hopefully get the spoiler tags correctly for...

Spoiler

The interesting background brought up in the second half is, as far as I remember, never fully resolved. We see Vash as a child, but we're never satisfactorily told just what the heck he and the other one ARE, and what their relationship to the technology is. It's clearly more than "they were taught what all the technology is", since Vash is seen waving his arms at the "plant" and causing it to be fixed. The other one just "wanders off" and comes back with magical guns. Maybe I missed it, but where he goes or how he gets them is never said.

I'm rather surprised you missed this:

Spoiler

Vash and Knives are Plants. This is clearly spelled out in the last episode, during their fight:
Knives: "You're not a human, you're a Plant."
Vash: "I know that."
Knives: "You're a superior being."
Vash: "I disagree."
However, it should have been clear in episode 21, when Brad refers to the Plant Vash is trying to repair and later Vash as "beings who live outside of time." Understanding all this should make the series a lot clearer, explaining how Vash and Knives (and Legato) can do all the things they do. It also explains why Knives feels so strongly about the whole spiders and butterflies thing, and adds a deeper meaning to that one scene in episode 17 when they're talking beneath the tree:
Knives: "Hey Vash, do you know why plants can't talk?"
Vash: "Rem says it's because they're strong, they spend all of their energy on just living."
Knives: "But we eat their fruit."
Vash: "Yeah, we have to, to survive."
Knives: "Do you think I'll be eaten someday?"
Vash: "No Knives, definitely not."

Oh, and hey, I'm Wervyn, I doubt I'll be posting much at all, but I just couldn't ignore this. Oh well.

"Sometimes it's better for your invitations to be refused."

 

[Nabuca]

:Wervyn's post:
Beat me to it, looks like someone watched Trigun half-asleep.

 

[Master Moron]

Uhhhhh...

Hey, Nabuca, is that a Vash picture in your avatar, because if it is I think you just ruined an important plot point for me.

Anyway, I hope this isn't gonna be like Evangelion where I'm bored to tears for like 14 episodes, just to get to 10 good episodes.

 

[Mackenzie Rainelle]

Hey, Nabuca, is that a Vash picture in your avatar, because if it is I think you just ruined an important plot point for me.

Eh....at's not Vash......::ahem::