A great speech from John K.

[HG Revolution]

What has John said about McCracken's stuff, other than he thinks the art is nice? Is there anything else he likes about his stuff?

Dunno about McCracken, but he said that Genndy Tartakovsky was good at storytelling.

 

[macattack]

Dunno about McCracken, but he said that Genndy Tartakovsky was good at storytelling.

Everyone thinks Genndy Tartakovsky is good at storytelling.

 

[Ickis]

I'd like to know just how exactly Chowder and Mighty B are rip offs of John K's work. I don't see overused squash effects and butt jokes in either show.

Chowder: Obnouxious idiotic characters, butt\flactuation humor, Chowders more Spongbob than anything.

Mighty B: Classical music for some scenes, gross out shots, John k's drawing style but more flat, idiotic characters, sterotypes, crude backgrounds.

 

[Racattack!Force]

Mighty B: Classical music for some scenes, gross out shots, John k's drawing style but more flat, idiotic characters, sterotypes, crude backgrounds.

It should be known that John K. is actually giving "special thanks" in the creation of the show, and that quite a bit of the crew once worked on Ren and Stimpy.

 

[FlooterFlatter]

It should be known that John K. is actually giving "special thanks" in the creation of the show, and that quite a bit of the crew once worked on Ren and Stimpy.

Only in the first episode, but yeah, John K. (along with Stephen Hillenburg) did get a "special thanks" credit.

And while we're at it, much of the Chowder crew (including the creator himself) are SpongeBob alumnis.

 

[Ickis]

Well, that explains the similarites, without John atleast the expressions in Mighty B seem less artificial, in Johnks drawings his characters would some times have an expression that would seem forced, mostly the 20th time that one of them looks at the camera, not to mention that nearly all of his characters over-react expression-wise to the simplest of things, and unlike that classics that he attempts to copy Johns expressions aren't funny.

 

[Mickialla]

Everyone thinks Genndy Tartakovsky is good at storytelling.

It's because it's true.

I've argued enough about John K to say anything more about him. He's great at what he does, and he's contributed so much to the animation biz. But he's a jerk. There are tons of people in the biz who have also contributed to animation that don't brag. He's not the only one who brought animation back to life in the early 90's.

 

[Ickis]

There are tons of people in the biz who have also contributed to animation that don't brag.

Look at what Osamu Tezuka did, and see if you can find a link in which he brags about it at all.

 

[Plague Rat]

It's because it's true.

I've argued enough about John K to say anything more about him. He's great at what he does, and he's contributed so much to the animation biz. But he's a jerk. There are tons of people in the biz who have also contributed to animation that don't brag. He's not the only one who brought animation back to life in the early 90's.

QFT. He's a great cartoonist, but I really don't think he should be so snobbish considering that the only idea of his that really even worked was Ren and Stimpy. And even the uncut version of that didn't last long.

I'll be honest, yes, he has a likable, zany, twisted cartoon style that many cartoonists have been influenced by HOWEVER, his story ideas leave a lot to be desired for. Because his ideas are so simplistic, he really hasn't gotten any good ideas past Ren and Stimpy. I can see how that makes sense though, as his influences of Looney Tunes weren't necessarily that in depth with plots or stories.

And as much as I love anachronisms, vintage, and retro things... he needs to stop living in the 50's. XD

 

[Antiyonder]

Look at what Osamu Tezuka did, and see if you can find a link in which he brags about it at all.

Thing is, if he was more successful than John K, he would actually have entitlement in his favor. Only real success John has is a show which was only good because he couldn't go all out.

 

[Taekmkm]

Look at what Osamu Tezuka did, and see if you can find a link in which he brags about it at all.

Well, he's old-school Japanese. I don't think he can brag even if he wanted to.

 

[Radical Raven]

Chowder: Obnouxious idiotic characters, butt\flactuation humor, Chowders more Spongbob than anything.

Mighty B: Classical music for some scenes, gross out shots, John k's drawing style but more flat, idiotic characters, sterotypes, crude backgrounds.

You know, "stupid" characters and fart jokes have been around for a long, long time, way back before John K. was ever born. You're saying Mighy B! uses "sterotypes" seems, more like a problem you have with the show then a way it was influenced by John K. Don't misunderstand me; I don't doubt that both shows were influenced by R&S, (I don't doubt, in fact, that several shows were; though not nearly as many as he claims), I simply don't see how they are "rip-offs" of John K.'s work. The writing style and characters, at least, are nothing alike.

 

[Ickis]

You're saying Mighy B! uses "sterotypes" seems,

Well, when I said stereotype I ment that in an improper way, I wasn't reffering to races as much as some of the unoriginal characters, now that I think about it more only the extreme expressions look like Ren an Stimpy work, the rest is fairly generic for todays TV. I swear that Mighty B look just like one of my own characters, but rather than accuse people like what John K does, I just sat down and relised that it was just the bulky round glasses. Thanks to his coloring, Mightys dog looks like the dog off Teachers pet. Is there anything else to say about John K that we haven't? Whoever questioned why we make topics about his speeches had a good point, thankfully most of us don't see Johns viewpoints. If John wants anything more to brag about he should look at what his fans are doing to Cartoon Critique, when it was working it was getting a flood of comic book cover studies which I didn't like because they weren't original drawings. John consistently preaches that everyone needs to know old cartoon principles, he tells everyone to copy old comiic book covers to learn them, they do so and send them to him, but then for some reason CC gets flooded with them. CC is more about drawing your own stuff or fan art and getting a critique, not asking how well you copied a cover.

 

[firecrouch]

Well, he's old-school Japanese. I don't think he can brag even if he wanted to.

What does that have to do with not bragging? The real reason he can't brag is because he's dead.

Anyway, Osamu Tezuka has certainly been more successful than John K. ever will be. John K. may have reinvogarated an industry, Osamu Tezuka pretty much started it.

 

[Plague Rat]

You know, "stupid" characters and fart jokes have been around for a long, long time, way back before John K. was ever born. You're saying Mighy B! uses "sterotypes" seems, more like a problem you have with the show then a way it was influenced by John K. Don't misunderstand me; I don't doubt that both shows were influenced by R&S, (I don't doubt, in fact, that several shows were; though not nearly as many as he claims), I simply don't see how they are "rip-offs" of John K.'s work. The writing style and characters, at least, are nothing alike.

Agreed and the styles, though certainly influenced, aren't complete rip-offs of his style. Writing wise, they are vastly different and there are different art directions that both of those shows seem to take.

 

[Ickis]

What does that have to do with not bragging? The real reason he can't brag is because he's dead.

From what I've gathered when he was alive he barely bragged, he didn't gloat or say "So many people are copying now! Without me they'd be in the stone age!".