Cartoon Network International News Thread 27.0

[Francisque]

Let's just agree to disagree guys?

You're not going to change each other's opinions.
Let's respect others' opinions and not fight unnecessarily.

As for me, I repeat it: the channel of course is not in a great state, but people are either asking too much from the company, or justifying everything for the sake of it (a bit ad nauseam, to be honest)
The problem (for me, of course) is that companies are not investing in children's content at all, because they say market has changed too much... but this is not true, if you invest in new content, even on streaming (and both linear and streaming) people might watch it, especially if you promote that content

And again, it's not just CN which is guilty of that.

We should probably ask for some of it to improve? Yes and no.
I think the "all linear" strategy ship has sailed, we can ask for the schedule to improve, but also realise whoever is handling the schedules has to make the most out of a fragmented company and market.

 

[Markus]

CN WE's Top Plans schedule for next week:

Monday
11:45 Gumball
11:55 Regular Show
12:05 Craig of the Creek
12:20 Teen Titans Go!
12:45 Regular Show

Tuesday
11:45 Clarence
12:05 Uncle Grandpa
12:15 Teen Titans Go!
12:30 Lana Longbeard

Wednesday
11:45 Regular Show
11:55 Craig of the Creek
12:05 Looney Tunes Cartoons
12:30 Goat Girl

Thursday
11:45 Lana Longbeard
11:55 Teen Titans Go!
12:05 Bunnicula
12:15 Gumball
12:30 Uncle Grandpa

Friday
11:45 Tiny Toons Looniversity
12:25 Looney Tunes Cartoons

I might be alone on this again but I love the variety in this programming block.

 

[Zzman]

Let's just agree to disagree guys?

You're not going to change each other's opinions.
Let's respect others' opinions and not fight unnecessarily.

As for me, I repeat it: the channel of course is not in a great state, but people are either asking too much from the company, or justifying everything for the sake of it (a bit ad nauseam, to be honest)
The problem (for me, of course) is that companies are not investing in children's content at all, because they say market has changed too much... but this is not true, if you invest in new content, even on streaming (and both linear and streaming) people might watch it, especially if you promote that content

And again, it's not just CN which is guilty of that.

We should probably ask for some of it to improve? Yes and no.
I think the "all linear" strategy ship has sailed, we can ask for the schedule to improve, but also realise whoever is handling the schedules has to make the most out of a fragmented company and market.

your right, as much I would like feeds like Africa to improve in some parts i can also give them a bit of slack as the uk team has to juggle more channels and feeds than the team for WE/CEE perhaps they don't have the time to improve some things kind of sad but thats the reality and they're trying the best they can especially with the cuts at WBD

I will agree they're definitely needs to be more investment in children's content as CN in particular is sort of dry right now, especially in the US

 

[Markus]

Some changes to CN WE from next week:

- Uncle Grandpa to return on weekdays at 15:35 replacing Clarence.
- Regular Show to air at 12:40 replacing Lana Longbeard.
- With Top Plans programming block the regular airings of Regular Show and Gumball are removed but still pop up a little bit on Top Plans block.

 

[zakawer2]

It's official:
The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy is coming to HBO Max throughout Europe (with the possible exception of Finland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, North Macedonia, Albania, Greece, Cyprus and Türkiye) on July 13th.

The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack is also coming to HBO Max throughout Europe on the same day, with the possible exception of Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Finland, Portugal, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, North Macedonia, Albania, Greece and Cyprus.

The countries I've underlined might get both shows if subtitles in Serbian, Croatian and Slovene are included. The rest probably need brand-new dubs first (Finnish, Czech, Greek and Turkish for Billy & Mandy; German, Finnish, European Portuguese, Czech and Greek for Flapjack).

 

[Markus]

Notice that my country barely has classics on HBO Max and another one is skipped. I'm not losing sleep over it as worrying about personal life is more important than hoping for things that don't seem to happen. Thankfully I can watch the shows on CN WE on weekends. Midnight timeslot isn't too bad. I can also find other ways to watch them which I can't say here but internet is truly the best when you keep looking around.

 

[zakawer2]

Notice that my country barely has classics and another one is skipped. I'm not losing sleep over it as worrying about personal life is more important than hoping for things that don't seem to happen. Thankfully I can watch the shows on CN WE on weekends. Midnight timeslot isn't too bad. I can also find other ways to watch them which I can't say here but internet is truly the best when you keep looking around.

I guess you're just very unusual, even compared to other Finns. You seem to very strongly value your continued ability to personally watch the shows you enjoy on linear TV way more than the streaming-happy people in your country actually do, all while somehow ignoring the stuff that's currently exclusive to HBO Max in your country.

You somehow have have the courage to watch shows in English, and on a channel that whose announcer does not tell the timeslots for programming unless you switch to another audio language, and you strongly value your ability to somehow figure out the exact timeslots for programming all by yourself. You've even watched that channel back when its English audio track was in an unholy mixture of English audio for programming and Swedish audio for promos and bumpers.

Other people in your country are frustrated by the fact that they're stuck with a Cartoon Network that's neither dubbed nor subtitled in their national language, and an HBO Max that cannot host Cartoon Network shows unless those shows have dubs in Finnish (which for older content is oftentimes less common than in Denmark, Sweden and Norway).

When it comes to kids and family programming, HBO Max in Finland is simply not the same as HBO Max in the United Kingdom, republic of Ireland, Malta, Israel, Iceland, Estonia (Estonia's your other nation), Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine. Those other markets are "dubbing-optional" markets where Cartoon Network programming can be freely included, regardless of whether such programming is actually dubbed into languages other than English or not.

Finland on the other hand is in pretty much the same boat as Portugal, the Czech Republic/Slovakia and Bulgaria, where CN programming can potentially be excluded from HBO Max if it lacks dubbing in European Portuguese, Czech and Bulgarian. CN programming (excluding no-dialogue cartoons) needs Finnish dubbing in order to be on HBO Max in Finland (though given that you probably don't even have HBO Max at all, you don't even have the ability to watch the Finnish dubs yourself unlike me).

Plus, Cartoon Network Western Europe (which you avidly watch, and which is localized into European Portuguese for Portugal) can potentially exclude retro shows from its schedule for not having European Portuguese dubs (unless all-new PT-PT dubs are made for the channel, like with Courage the Cowardly Dog).

So unless you resort to less-legal methods or VPN connections to certain non-EEA versions of HBO Max (which you probably do anyway, given your attitude), that locks you out of shows like Chowder, Camp Lazlo, Ed, Edd n Eddy and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends unless either new PT-PT dubs are made for Cartoon Network or new Finnish dubs are made for HBO Max, whichever comes first.

But you just do whatever the heck you want, Markus. You're built different alright. You even watch U.S. channels and somehow care about Cartoon Network USA programming that nobody in Finland cares about. (And speaking of your other nation, Estonia: in Estonia, Iyanu airs on KidZone Max, and lectored into Estonian. That show hasn't even remotely made it to any of the Nordic countries yet!)

No wonder why you're a "popular and hated person in the animation community" (as you even outright acknowledged in your own user bio on this forum).

 

[flaboyblast]

Notice that my country barely has classics on HBO Max and another one is skipped. I'm not losing sleep over it as worrying about personal life is more important than hoping for things that don't seem to happen. Thankfully I can watch the shows on CN WE on weekends. Midnight timeslot isn't too bad. I can also find other ways to watch them which I can't say here but internet is truly the best when you keep looking around.

We were told to stop. I did. It's not okay to treat a few of us like that, if it were just me, okay. But the others were even more well-intentioned than me. And again, with good intentions, I tell you that you are being rude ("I'm not losing sleep over it"). Apparently you can't help yourself but try to prove how great you are compared to us and to mock us. Alright then.

Yes, there are few of the classics. Yes, it's better for your region to have more (and the whole shows, not just S01) and for us to have them at all.

Yes, being a little better than RSEE is a HUGE achievement (no, RS does not count, because we know why they are airing it, otherwise they would not have wanted to and we saw it before this year that it was indeed the case).

Yes, it's unrealistic to think they can be better at their job, you're right, very right. Expecting more from them is very bad, we should stan mediocrity, mediocrity is the new greatness. When it's below mid (CEE), it's even better!

If I want to watch a show with a lost or never-released dub and they don't want to have it, I just have to watch The Big Bang Theory and the hundreds of hours of content, no matter how much they can't compensate, they're not the same product... I just have to accept it and not comment on it in a space where they can read it, so I can't hurt the feelings of the poor good company.

I won't even bother commenting on the illegal methods (in this case largely non-existent for dubs here), you've been through enough of that in 2024.

 

[Markus]

Stop what? I'm having a discussion. Just because I'm telling positives, it doesn't stop me to write here. The more you want me to stop being here, the more I want to be here. Everything you say, I'm twisting around because you don't get it, to you? I don't even praise CEE that much. I'm talking about how WE is doing a good job but of course you don't want to ackowledge because you don't even watch the feed. I never said I was great but calling your opinions on what they should do and think it's more realistic than what I say is unlogical. I do not care how you feel. Your started yet another drama. Click the "ignore" on me and move on. Keep spreading your lies. You claim I shared illegal things in 2024 and you know it's not true. Keep complaining how bad modern CN is while your childhood hero when you were a child was so perfect. You claim every single classic they aired was great. Why do we have to be so childish. You losing sleep is very unhealthy. CN should never affect you in real life. Just a little advice to you. I'm out of this conversation. Keep repeating how much CN sucks when things aren'f as bad as you claim them to be. Keep running circles 52 times a year. The same conversation is looping over and over again. The insults you say about me here will be reported from now on. Bye and keep supporting CN even though you hate it.

 

[RandomMe]

Oh no, it's feeling like yesterday's argument again

 

[[Tails swim]]

Markus. Pleace dont start with this again . We already knew about something but we just dont need arguments for that again

And I also dont want to brought drama as well but pleace and pleace no drama on this forum

 

[flaboyblast]

Keep complaining how bad modern CN is while your childhood hero when you were a child was so perfect. You claim every single classic they aired was great.

Even in the best era of RSEE (2011-2014) they postponed and never aired Cow and Chicken? Justice League too. "You claim" WHERE?!?!? Where did I say "old CN is perfect", where? You're dishonest. "WHERE did I say anything about the quality of the shows?!?! WHERE WHERE WHERE?!?!

Also I wanted from streaming to compensate the wasted dubs and lost ones. They planned to do that in 2022. Now (being realistic) I can hope for old CNS shows (that's the tactic they chose post-Discovery). But even then they are not good at it (at least having the full shows should've been the norm) and when it comes to CEE, postponing two times in less then a year the first batch (Dexter's, PPG, etc.).

 

[RandomMe]

Even in the best era of RSEE (2011-2014) they postponed and never aired Cow and Chicken? Justice League too. "You claim" WHERE?!?!? Where did I say "old CN is perfect", where? You're dishonest. "WHERE did I say anything about the quality of the shows?!?! WHERE WHERE WHERE?!?!

Also I wanted from streaming to compensate the wasted dubs and lost ones. They planned to do that in 2022. Now (being realistic) I can hope for old CNS shows (that's the tactic they chose post-Discovery). But even then they are not good at it (at least having the full shows should've been the norm) and when it comes to CEE, postponing two times in less then a year the first batch (Dexter's, PPG, etc.).

Because they didn't commission a full Bulgarian dub, that's why.

 

[flaboyblast]

Because they didn't commission a full Bulgarian dub, that's why.

They did according to the PR. And also was in the April 2014 highlights. But for stuff like Lazlo and Dexter these are all aired episodes (even the Justice Friends segments). And for Dexter I can confirm from HBO MAX that all episodes, S06 too, are dubbed, even unaired ones.

 

[RandomMe]

They did according to the PR. And also was in the April 2014 highlights. But for stuff like Lazlo and Dexter these are all aired episodes (even the Justice Friends segments). And for Dexter I can confirm from HBO MAX that all episodes, S06 too, are dubbed, even unaired ones.

You mean Cow and Chicken? I kinda had the idea it aired there. But I do know Dexter aired there.

Did they air S1-4 (S1-2 considering DL's second season is sometimes divided into three seasons)? CN PT only aired those and nobody cared about dubbing S3-4 (S5-6) here. I know HRT 2 aired those seasons but I don't think they aired the first two.

 

[Markus]

I guess you're just very unusual, even compared to other Finns. You seem to very strongly value your continued ability to personally watch the shows you enjoy on linear TV way more than the streaming-happy people in your country actually do, all while somehow ignoring the stuff that's currently exclusive to HBO Max in your country.

How I want to consume media is not your concern. Linear TV is still healthy here so no, I can't be called unusual. I watch both linear and streaming just like most people literally. When a local channel manages to pull over 1 million views weekly and almost daily, I'm not ashamed to say that I like to watch linear.

You somehow have have the courage to watch shows in English, and on a channel that whose announcer does not tell the timeslots for programming unless you switch to another audio language, and you strongly value your ability to somehow figure out the exact timeslots for programming all by yourself. You've even watched that channel back when its English audio track was in an unholy mixture of English audio for programming and Swedish audio for promos and bumpers.

Isn't this how people learn the language? I will always be grateful to watch the channel in English. CN does air the new promos where the timeslot text is on the endboards. Back in the day there was no HBO Max so of course kids like me watched a mixture of Swedish ads with English shows. Just like many other countries had fillers on the RSEE feed even if the channel was not dubbed locally.

At the end of the day, I get it that you are obsessed with streaming but you can't manipulate to only go on streaming when certain shows and seasons are missing. It is what it is. It's not that deep and just let people watch the content how they want to watch it.

 

[flaboyblast]

You mean Cow and Chicken? I kinda had the idea it aired there. But I do know Dexter aired there.

Did they air S1-4 (S1-2 considering DL's second season is sometimes divided into three seasons)? CN PT only aired those and nobody cared about dubbing S3-4 (S5-6) here. I know HRT 2 aired those seasons but I don't think they aired the first two.

They stopped on CN before the episodes that HBO Max considers "S03". S5-S6 were dubbed, but not aired too.

 

[RandomMe]

They stopped on CN before the episodes that HBO Max considers "S03". S5-S6 were dubbed, but not aired too.

Unaired dubs, yikes. Post is blocked for me because of settings.

I wonder why most syndicated packages of seasons 3 and 4 (5 and 6) were negotiated separately for FTA TV.

 

[Markus]

Because FTA wanted it's own dubs without anyone touching them.

 

[RandomMe]

That's not a valid excuse.