Cartoon Network International News Thread 27.0

[RegularMan]

Oh wow, they’re doing the bare minimum. Thank you so much, WBD! Clearly we’re all being selfish and ungrateful, we should be happy with the scraps we’re given! If we don’t like it, we can go to HBO Max and watch… um… err… one season of TTG!

 

[Markus]

You are not even in CN's target demographic. Kids have every reason to like the same shows and it's the truth. Kids don't want to give more shows a chance which is why they are doing the bare minimum. HBO Max is literally there for variety, yes. What is still worth to pay for cable TV? There's no reason to hate watch CN if you don't like it. It is what it is but I don't know if you get the point.

 

[Zzman]

ok...that doesn't mean that they should treat other (and newer) shows like garbage people get bored of watching the same thing over and over again eventually, this isn't India, you have to add some variety to keep things fresh

but we should be "grateful" for what we have apparently even though they don't give a crap about the customers/consumers

 

[Markus]

They treat their customers when it comes to live-action shows. There aren't many people watching animation on HBO Max. People go to Disney+ if they want animation. It isn't the end of the world. There are other ways to watch shows which I really can't say it here but you have thousands of shows available somewhere. I'm not defending WBD executives but it's not CN's fault on how their shows are treated on HBO Max. There are seperate teams out there.

Apparently I'm a bad guy for being positive and looking into a bigger picture. Negativity always wins but I'm going to turn that around so what else you have to say about them? There's nothing positive for you to say.

 

[RegularMan]

You are not even in CN's target demographic. Kids have every reason to like the same shows and it's the truth. Kids don't want to give more shows a chance which is why they are doing the bare minimum. HBO Max is literally there for variety, yes. What is still worth to pay for cable TV? There's no reason to hate watch CN if you don't like it. It is what it is but I don't know if you get the point.

What variety??? Genuinely. Genuinely tell me what is on HBO Max. Is Megas XLR there? Is Generator Rex there? Is Juniper Lee there?

 

[Francisque]

I just do not trust streaming the people that are saying "just go to streaming if you don't like the channels" do not realize the situation is more complex

It is more complex, nowadays I don't like the current era where every company wants to have its own streaming service, and I think "cable-like" streaming bundles (different streaming content under one platform, and not spread out over too many different services) would much preferrable and "humane" (let's put it that way) to what we currently have, which is a deregulated market.

I'm just stating that, for what remains achievable under the current WBD management (and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse), CN WE and CN Africa kind are watchable.


FOR ME, it could be better, but it could be much worse.
While it's OK to ask for more, I'm afraid companies won't listen anyway, and nowadays they even have a reason to, compared to, let's say, 2005 or 2010.

 

[Markus]

Are we really doing this? Why would they return so many obscure shows. Are you really expecting them to put up every single CN show on HBO Max? It's like saying that The Moxy Show should be added. There are ways to watch shows but you don't even try to find the ways. The internet helps you more than you think.

 

[RegularMan]

Are we really doing this? Why would they return so many obscure shows. Are you really expecting them to put up every single CN show on HBO Max? It's like saying that The Moxy Show should be added. There are ways to watch shows but you don't even try to find the ways. The internet helps you more than you think.

I’m sorry but comparing GENERATOR REX to the MOXY SHOW is wild. Especially considering the former literally crossed over with one of their biggest cash cows twice. It’s not some 5 episode miniseries that ran once and never aired again. It was a respectable three years. About the same time as Uncle Grandpa and Clarence, and the latter is on HBO.

Also if they’re literally destroying their own historic brand to prop up their Netflix ripoff, I WOULD expect them to have a deep backlog of old content, actually. But no. They have less than CN UK. At least CN UK actually airs old seasons of their cash cow.

 

[Markus]

The same thing is wild when it comes to comparing CN to what it was in early 2010s and that the variety should be as good. Your argument isn't winning at all. Streaming exists and it's more popular. There's no way companies are putting effort into their channels when the viewership is down. Are you finally getting my point on your skull? How many times do I have to explain? If you hate CN, just watch another channel. It's not hard. You keep supporting them for hate watching.

 

[Francisque]

I’m sorry but comparing GENERATOR REX to the MOXY SHOW is wild. Especially considering the former literally crossed over with one of their biggest cash cows twice. It’s not some 5 episode miniseries that ran once and never aired again. It was a respectable three years. About the same time as Uncle Grandpa and Clarence, and the latter is on HBO.

To be fair, HBO Max is a bit poor for older shows, but other companies are not particularly great at variety either, including Disney+.
E.g. Pepper Ann used to be on Disney+ in Europe, and now it is gone.

Yes, comparing these shows to The Moxy Show is definitely not OK, but it is nevertheless true that we can't expect everything old to be on HBO Max. Juniper Lee does not have a big follow.

HBO Max has also been dropping a few shows, but it also does not have Disney's wallet.

OK, I'm a bit cynical, but I have stopped being particularly "optimistic" on streaming services. They are there mainly to make money, just as everywhere else.

 

[Zzman]

look you can defend them as much as you like, nobodys stoping you but don't try to down play their many many faults either Corporation are not your friends

It is more complex, nowadays I don't like the current era where every company wants to have its own streaming service, and I think "cable-like" streaming bundles (different streaming content under one platform, and not spread out over too many different services) would much preferrable and "humane" (let's put it that way) to what we currently have, which is a deregulated market.

I'm just stating that, for what remains achievable under the current WBD management (and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse), CN WE and CN Africa kind are watchable.


FOR ME, it could be better, but it could be much worse.
While it's OK to ask for more, I'm afraid companies won't listen anyway, and nowadays they even have a reason to, compared to, let's say, 2005 or 2010.

at this point even if they have some problems it's simply a miracle WE and Africa are able to be at least kind of watchable with the current management

 

[RegularMan]

The same thing is wild when it comes to comparing CN to what it was in early 2010s and that the variety should be as good. Your argument isn't winning at all. Streaming exists and it's more popular. There's no way companies are putting effort into their channels when the viewership is down. Are you finally getting my point on your skull? How many times do I have to explain? If you hate CN, just watch another channel. It's not hard. You keep supporting them for hate watching.

Why are you being so rude? I never insulted you. I’m trying to get across MY OWN point, which is that if they want to push us toward their streaming service they’re doing a poor job.

 

[Markus]

It's not okay to compare that but it is about the CN variety and needs to be as good as it was in early 10s? Okay.

Streaming services can't add everything to the service because they would need to pay money for more people who worked on these shows. They would rather spend that money on newer content. Plus it's expensive to produce content now.

 

[Francisque]

at this point even if they have some problems it's simply a miracle WE and Africa are able to be at least kind of watchable with the current management

Yes, I know Cartoon Network Italy isn't, but no big deal, let's talk about Boing Italy, which is wildly more accessible than CN IT: it is not that much exciting either.

This month Adventure Time is back, yes, but at peak times it is more or less a "Cartoon Network"

https://guidatv.org/canali/boing/domani

(not that I care that much)

 

[RegularMan]

It's not okay to compare that but it is about the CN variety and needs to be as good as it was in early 10s? Okay.

Streaming services can't add everything to the service because they would need to pay money for more people who worked on these shows. They would rather spend that money on newer content. Plus it's expensive to produce content now.

In what world is WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY INC spending money on newer content? It’s the exact same IPs as last decade. And the decade before that.

And again, they’re removing (at least in the US) content that they are LITERALLY REVIVING. Don’t you think that is at least somewhat counterproductive?

 

[Markus]

Making content of existing IP shows counts so they do make new content. Whether it's movies or episodes, they are new. You still don't seem to look in the bigger picture why they won't return shows that don't perform well. Animation in general doesn't perform well on HBO Max. Only Regular Show and Adventure Time have been doing well. And they don't want to pay residentals to everyone as they would spend too much money when the new content thrives more. Only a niche animation audience is watching HBO Max.

We can keep talking about these things but I'll say it becomes repetitive and the same conversations are running in circles so I might be out of this conversation for now.

 

[Daffyrocks]

God, can we please stop this discussion already? It's already dragged on for too long and as it seems, people will never understand certain apsects and will just repeat themselves with statements they already said a few times already.

To say something as well, I will add that I am thankful with CN CEE, which I receive and I am entitled to say my opinon on it. It doesn't have the variety of WE but it still is more watchable than one year ago. I don't care much about other CN channels, but somehow I want CEE to have a bit more shows, as much as its "brother"

 

[Francisque]

In what world is WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY INC spending money on newer content? It’s the exact same IPs as last decade. And the decade before that.

And again, they’re removing (at least in the US) content that they are LITERALLY REVIVING. Don’t you think that is at least somewhat counterproductive?

They are not.
I would honestly forgive them if they were investing and attracting older kids to their streaming services on certain sections, but they are not, except for the sporadical reboot of their IPs.

Cartoon Network is dying, let's be honest.
There are flaws, simply because there has been no migration from linear to streaming on many kids channels (not just CN), including Cartoon Network, and broadcasters are to be blamed for it.

Instead, often I've noticed another trend: older kids often jump straight to content intended to a slightly older audience, e.g. Netflix.

The decaying linear services, instead, often caters a younger audience than usual, as preschoolers watch more TV.

Mentioned that, as said before, it is not just a CN problem, but a more general one, and not easily fixable either.

 

[Markus]

Thank you Daffyrocks! At least you can be a little positive like me. The feeds aren't that bad. CEE used to be very bad last year. They have improved.

 

[RegularMan]

Again, below bare minimum.

I’m not going to clap like a seal for a company that has placed the bar in the underworld.

God, can we please stop this discussion already? It's already dragged on for too long and as it seems, people will never understand certain apsects and will just repeat themselves with statements they already said a few times already.

To say something as well, I will add that I am thankful with CN CEE, which I receive and I am entitled to say my opinon on it. It doesn't have the variety of WE but it still is more watchable than one year ago. I don't care much about other CN channels, but somehow I want CEE to have a bit more shows, as much as its "brother"